Amazon workers plan strike between Black Friday and Cyber Monday in major cities around the world

[Pew]

Two ways for better working conditions:

1.) New job
2.) Fight for it at current job

However, I don't understand why anybody would complain about somebody else wanting better working conditions for their own job.

I concur ESOP would be a great idea, except they're all contractors unfortunately. Makes it easy to dump employees and roll in new ones.

That chest pounding was so hard I felt it across the country.

That may have been the septic tank blowing up after turkey day .

 

[Jokester]

Not for long though. Shareholders really, really hate unions. And since they weld the most power, expect them them or the companies to be gone in a few years.

I wish I was joking. Most will start to see this when a few automakers file for chapter 11 to break them…..

I agree with getting rid of retarded labor unions as that's a main reason for our high cost of living regardless of the sugarcoating some wanna put on it. That's about the only thing I will agree with Musk on since he was mentioned in this thread.

 

[Jokester]

I'm not for or against Unions. But some of the stuff these people ask for are ridiculous. It just makes the cost of goods go up for the rest of us. I do agree wages have not kept up with inflation over the last 30-40 years. But there has to be a different way without making the end user pay even more out of their pockets.

EXACTLY as I will never have any use or respect for any union. Their greed/expectations are the driving force for higher cost of goods, labor in lotsa places and it affects the rest of us paying for it. If people wanna strike kick them to the curb and hire others that will do the same thing for less as tons of people to fill voids if necessary.

 

[Dave Hess]

You cannot educate a box of rocks no matter how long or how hard you try and that is my point.

You are 100% correct.

Don’t forget the Degree Mills printing worthless degrees for the young bobble heads that should have not spent (borrowed) big money only to work a job not needing a degree.

 

[Lubener]

The world will survive. The strikers should be thankful for what they. have. They have a lot more than most grunt laborers do.

 

[Dave Hess]

Opportunity is wasted if not taken. I graduated at the age of 40 from a top public school; most of the cost was paid for by the companies I worked for. I'm pretty sure they didn't do this because they thought I was cute; they made an investment in me. I am big on investing, as an aside...

Some students are lucky; their parents choose to help them financially. That was not my case. I probably would have squandered the opportunity at that time anyways. So I was not worthy of educating. Who knows?

Sure some people squander opportunity; I believe it is never too late. Education teaches us we only knew a little; life is for learning.

Some folks are just late bloomers and take college / vocational training much more seriously if they are older and have life experiences than an 18 year old right out of high school.
At 18 lots of kids are not mature enough or constantly changing major not knowing which direction to go or opportunities to pursue. Skipping classes, poor grades, chasing the opposite sex, having fun, drinking, smoking, partying, etc….

Some folks do graduate with a decent degree like engineering and don’t accept an opportunity cause it’s not their dream job / dream company / dream salary…… only to quickly regret it.

I’ve seen some people turn down nice job offers cause it was not driving distance from their parent’s home and they didn’t want to leave the nest. I’m serious.

I know someone turn down $75,000 starting, $5000 sign on bonus and $5000 moving expenses cause their EGO said it wasn’t good enough for them and I explained this offer is better than nothing.
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[eljefino]

EXACTLY as I will never have any use or respect for any union. Their greed/expectations are the driving force for higher cost of goods, labor in lotsa places and it affects the rest of us paying for it. If people wanna strike kick them to the curb and hire others that will do the same thing for less as tons of people to fill voids if necessary.

Where are these replacement workers everyone dreams of? Unemployment is low, this is what's empowering these labor actions.

 

[dubber09]

Hmm, I've never been a union member or in a position they would force me go on a strike, I'd not want to be wearing those shoes either.
A job is a job, if one accepted it then they accepted the job description and responsibilities, pay compensation, and whatever comes with it. There are only TWO things to make one happy with their job while BOTH need to apply - 1) compensation; 2) work environment (boss, co-workers, hours, location, etc). If one of them is a miss then employee isn't gonna be happy.
There are only three alternatives I can think of - 1) a better job elsewhere; 2) one invests money with return that sets them for life; 3) they strike as they cannot find a better job and are not smart enough to know of Roth IRA (TFSA in Canada) and crypto ETFs.
Do I make good money as paycheque goes - no, under $100k a year. How do I make money - taking advantage of crypto ETFs inside TFSA giving me $7 profit on each $1 invested while tax free so far, and expecting another 2-5x (times) tax free profit on my investment within next 12 months. 2026 will be the year to invest, 2029 will be the year to take profit, tax free.
The way I see it - job is not necessarily the way to earn to afford your living expenses but a way to employ your skills (that you advance) and to have some sort of satisfaction in your daily activities. Job and financial 'freedom' are two different things as I see it.
If one relies on job income as the only way to support their living needs and their family - they are putting themselves into a very harsh and restricted 'brackets'.
Put it this way - job is not about money, money is not about job. There is a way to earn tax free dong nothing but putting some $$ in.
Am I gonna make over $1M in next 12 months just in investments profits? We'll see. I know it's gonna be between 2-5 times for sure.

 

[Jokester]

Where are these replacement workers everyone dreams of? Unemployment is low, this is what's empowering these labor actions.

Haitian immigrants...

 

[SC Maintenance]

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[SC Maintenance]

Where are these replacement workers everyone dreams of? Unemployment is low, this is what's empowering these labor actions.

Exactly. Now that the pendulum is swinging towards the average worker, some folks aren't liking it.

Free market, doing what free markets do when allowed.

 

[KrisZ]

EXACTLY as I will never have any use or respect for any union. Their greed/expectations are the driving force for higher cost of goods, labor in lotsa places and it affects the rest of us paying for it. If people wanna strike kick them to the curb and hire others that will do the same thing for less as tons of people to fill voids if necessary.

The same logic applies to you. If you find you cannot afford things, start making more money instead of complaining about unions.

 

[Nessism1]

Exactly. Now that the pendulum is swinging towards the average worker, some folks aren't liking it.

Free market, doing what free markets do when allowed.

Only, what some unions do, is not free market enterprise. Repeating myself, but UAW, dock workers, Teamsters, Boeing, unions like these, are almost like a monopoly. I'm not sure about Teamsters, but the UAW and longshoreman make literally 3-4X more than other workers with their skill level. And forget about breaking these unions. The teamsters, for example, will stop all delivery of goods if any of these unions were to be threatened.

 

[SC Maintenance]

Only, what some unions do, is not free market enterprise. Repeating myself, but UAW, dock workers, Teamsters, Boeing, unions like these, are almost like a monopoly. I'm not sure about Teamsters, but the UAW and longshoreman make literally 3-4X more than other workers with their skill level. And forget about breaking these unions. The teamsters, for example, will stop all delivery of goods if any of these unions were to be threatened.

True.

But in the case of the UAW - they can make cars in other states, like many foreign car companies have done. Or in Mexico - like GM and Ford have. Those shops are union, but not UAW and make on average $18/hour.

In the case of longshoremen, that is tougher, but the solution is don't buy foreign goods, or go to Mexico where it can be sent by truck, or do what the longshoremen were recently fighting - automate.

Boeing will eventually claim bankruptcy and reset. What happens to the Union there will be interesting. The Boeing facility here in Charleston is not Union, much to the Unions dismay. They have made their free market choice on several votes.

I am not for or against unions. I am for a free market. There are always winners and losers in a free market - by definition. If they over-play their hand they will be out jobs.

 

[Pew]

Well, I had tough manual labor jobs that paid squat. Tree work is pretty darn dangerous. And let's just say it is rare to find a sober tree trimmer. I admire the hard work Amazon warehouse employees, tree trimmers, US Mail, farm laborers. etc. do.

All work is honorable; that's my opinion. And if you are looking for "fair" in regards to compensation, well good luck with that. There ain't no such thing.

You have mentioned in previous threads that all work isn't work, so somehow you get to claim what is and isn't work.

 

[JeffKeryk]

Why it would be nice if they pushed the trades instead. I’ve seen quite a few folks I know for a fact that their kids are not for college.

And that is not always a bad thing.

The local Community Colleges around here do just that. The programs are always impacted.

 

[JeffKeryk]

Where are these replacement workers everyone dreams of? Unemployment is low, this is what's empowering these labor actions.

Exactly. The labor component is costed by the supply vs demand curve as well. No one gave me a job or paid me because they thought I was cute.

 

[JeffKeryk]

You have mentioned in previous threads that all work isn't work, so somehow you get to claim what is and isn't work.

When I say some work is not work, I am referring to the difference between laboring all day out in the hot sun for minimum wage vs sitting in an AC office with free coffee, snacks, food, etc in clean clothes, playing with a computer and making $200K and more.

There is no comparison. Not too many blown up knee caps in computer programming "work".

 

[JeffKeryk]

I’ve seen some people turn down nice job offers cause it was not driving distance from their parent’s home and they didn’t want to leave the nest. I’m serious.

I know someone turn down $75,000 starting, $5000 sign on bonus and $5000 moving expenses cause their EGO said it wasn’t good enough for them and I explained this offer is better than nothing.
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I guess it depends on what you want. In my case I knew for sure I never wanted to be drunk, broke and homeless again.

 

[ATex7239]

I have known several people who’ve worked for Amazon and all said they don’t treat employees or contractors well.

Work/life balance, culture, benefits, and pay are the only things an employer can provide that are worth anything. Nothing wrong with fighting for all of those but you gotta get at least one. Otherwise what’s the point.