I don’t think that’s as guaranteed as either of us would like that to be.
EV snow plows falling short.
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It’s an attack on public taxpayer funds/budgets
By the way, I don’t know which thread our discussion was in but I told you as you complained about heavy trucks on the road compared to a small EV. I mentioned the high horsepower of the small cars are useless and dangerous. I suggested they should be speed limited to the GPS systems on the EV itself, well guess what talk about timing
https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets...s-mandate-technology-reduce-speeding-new-cars
I mean that would be an option regardless of whether I agree with it. Self control with power comes every time one gets behind the wheel. I don't know of a single new vehicle on sale now that isn't capable of exceeding the speed limit. Self control with weight of the vehicle happens with initial purchase and no matter how careful a driver is the laws of physics don't change. Mass is mass.
The fact is we're all losing the battle of self choice. I'm just very surprised the way it has materialized. Safety seems to be the main goal and technology has certain ways of intervening if enabled. Some seem to throw self control out the window which is why ideas such as this come about.
Self control is out the window.
It's only a matter of time. The technology is 100% already here and the first whisperings are coming out of Washington.
There is absolutely no reason for your Tesla or maybe any EV to be allowed to exceed the speed limit. Maybe is should be as long as USA taxpayer funds are used to build them? (just having fun with that statement)
But no kidding around, why allow cars to exceed the speed limit? There isnt one good reason. A simple little program and they will not longer be able to. I bet Tesla can do an over the air update tomorrow if it was required.
It may take a decade or two but it will happen. There is no reason for the amount of horsepower being put in some of these EVs.
This will be the solution and then it wont matter, not only that, it will save energy. They will be able to downsize power and associated components which I would think would help lower weight and increase the eMPG
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/t...ew-vehicles-to-the-posted-speed-limit.376122/
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Maybe we can work on the weight of them while we're at it.
I'm not sure where EV specifically shouldn't be able to exceed the speed limit comes from. That's always said. It's like everyone forgot that this technology has been in every GM vehicle for around 20 years with OnStar. OnStar is a bit more of an on/off switch though in early cars. The way Tesla knows what the speed limit is by reading signs and some of it by GPS information is exactly what nearly every other manufacturer is doing. Many cars can adjust their cruise control off of map data, so it's already being done at a somewhat voluntary rate, though this is still adjustable for now. Short of having a car that predates this tech, I don't see a way anyone will get out of that.
Fun is leaving the building. I don't think any of us agree with the methods to get where the end goal likely is. The thing is that safety ends up being one thing touted and fun on any amount of wheels will have to be an older collector's item. I'm actually fine with that at this point only because I can't say or do anything to change it. Just remember, the beatings will continue until morale improves.
I dont think the NTSB mentions any particular powered vehicle type, it's both gas and EV.Maybe we can work on the weight of them while we're at it.
I'm not sure where EV specifically shouldn't be able to exceed the speed limit comes from. That's always said. It's like everyone forgot that this technology has been in every GM vehicle for around 20 years with OnStar. OnStar is a bit more of an on/off switch though in early cars. The way Tesla knows what the speed limit is by reading signs and some of it by GPS information is exactly what nearly every other manufacturer is doing. Many cars can adjust their cruise control off of map data, so it's already being done at a somewhat voluntary rate, though this is still adjustable for now. Short of having a car that predates this tech, I don't see a way anyone will get out of that.
Fun is leaving the building. I don't think any of us agree with the methods to get where the end goal likely is. The thing is that safety ends up being one thing touted and fun on any amount of wheels will have to be an older collector's item. I'm actually fine with that at this point only because I can't say or do anything to change it. Just remember, the beatings will continue until morale improves.
We can all acknowledge your use of the word "nearly" I agree with but certainly not all ICE powered vehicles are capable yet.
The NTSB outlines how it would be done. We already know a Tesla is completely capable of it right now, its not using cameras and most likely most EVs certainly not ICE all ICE vehicles right now simply due to the price point.
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By that logic, there's absolutely no reason people should be able to defend themselves. Remove the capability if there is potential for abuse, Big Brother will keep you safe, right?
Vehicles hold the unique position of allowing flagrant disregard of numerous legalities, typically without penalty, either within some undefined "reasonable range" like with speed limits, or with modifications not sanctioned by the NHTSA like lift kits, HID/LED retrofits, the Carolina Squat, "Stance", coal rolling...etc.
Personal transport is the wild west of non-compliance. Worrying about whether a car is going faster than the posted limit on the 401 seems ridiculous when Kyle with 4 monsters into him is driving his 2' lifted Broderado like it's a race car. Bumpers at teeth level, retina-remover 9000's shoehorned into the reflector housings rolling on only the highest quality non-DOT approved China-casts wrapped in premium plastic replica mudders from Bangladesh.
If I may be allowed the leeway to isolate your post to this fragment, I would like to say some drivers, not all of course, in Silicon Valley have become so freakin' dangerous with their high speed tailgating, flying across freeway lanes and more, that it is freakin' terrifying.
It is like shooting a firearm into the sky, but worse, far worse. I don't get it.
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Finally the hive is calming down 
So, they have some good EV or hybrid garbage truck, and want to try it on snow plow, and it didn't work out. I don't think it is that big of a deal as they can probably just convert those EV / hybrid snow plow back to garbage truck. If those garbage truck were originally gas based before going EV or hybrid, those snow plow parts can be put back on the gas garbage truck for future use.
Sure you won't get your labor cost back, but it is something you have to do whenever you try something. The bigger question is, why aren't someone else doing it already and what are you doing differently to justify it? I personally would think if someone wants to EV / hybrid everything it would be China (for EV) and Japan (for hybrid) instead of US (we have plenty of oil they don't). Why didn't they try and if they did, what is their result?
Sure you won't get your labor cost back, but it is something you have to do whenever you try something. The bigger question is, why aren't someone else doing it already and what are you doing differently to justify it? I personally would think if someone wants to EV / hybrid everything it would be China (for EV) and Japan (for hybrid) instead of US (we have plenty of oil they don't). Why didn't they try and if they did, what is their result?
I'm pretty sure these are all AI generated articles. Most of these that are linked to MSN and Microsoft Start pages make no sense and are click bait.
And then we have this: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/michigan-gov-whitmer-orders-state-government-fleet-100-electric
Apparently someone will wave a magic wand and then all of the shortcomings of EVs for heavy duty vehicles will be elliminated by 2040. The UAW is probably behind this because they know the state will need to quadruple their heavy duty vehicle fleet without some mind blowing technological advancement between now and 2040. Sixteen years is a long time though, so never say never. My bet is that these goalposts will get moved as do many lefty looney green schemes.
Apparently someone will wave a magic wand and then all of the shortcomings of EVs for heavy duty vehicles will be elliminated by 2040. The UAW is probably behind this because they know the state will need to quadruple their heavy duty vehicle fleet without some mind blowing technological advancement between now and 2040. Sixteen years is a long time though, so never say never. My bet is that these goalposts will get moved as do many lefty looney green schemes.
He should make sure all of Michigan's potable water is drinkable first.
The thing is that it is actually illegal. I just have never seen it enforced to the point that any of these vehicles go away. The lighting would be the easiest thing to enforce. Squatting a truck affects lights. Too big a lift throws off the height of the light itself which has a limit. I rarely see one that doesn't have a football stadium's worth of lights on them. It is rare these days that I see someone on the road actually using them, so maybe that has been enforced.
My neighbor's truck for reference. The whole chassis lights up like Christmas at night with underglow, rock lights, and whatever all the other ones are called. I'm just glad he took the ridiculous 26 inch wheels with what looked like low profile tires off of it. It's definitely a tough looking truck. I've never seen it dirty though.
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At least when your EV snow plow catches on fire, it should melt some of the snow.
For reference, so do conventional snowplows. A former employer lost a $250 k (in 2010 dollars) snowplow due to a broken hydraulic hose and hot exhaust...
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Sure but very preventable. An extinguisher system would put that fire out. Nothing puts out thermal runaway Li ion battery fires.
Curious what extinguishing system that is cost effective you envision would prevent accidental hydraulics fires. For reference, a fire extinguisher does not accomplish this.
Reality is when it happens in either case, the truck is toast.
Back in my equipment operation days I put out hydraulic fires using just hand fulls of dirt, as I had no fire extinguisher on the machine, cheap boss.
Co2 or Halon even dry chemical would work just fine. I can tell you have never been around a hydraulic oil fire.
This is all similar to my chevy is better than your ford, all that has to be done is watch what the Li Ion batt's do when they go thermal runaway.
Curious about the system needed? Similar to what the old recip engine airliners used, multi station, Co2 systems, and would easily extinguish oil and gasoline fires that was the main purpose. The biggest issue was the stupidity of the manufactures of said engines using magnesium, the Co2 system could not put those fires out, as magnesium is very similar to the self feeding Li ion battery fires, especially when flying in rain storms ie when water was involved.
Co2 or Halon even dry chemical would work just fine. I can tell you have never been around a hydraulic oil fire.
This is all similar to my chevy is better than your ford, all that has to be done is watch what the Li Ion batt's do when they go thermal runaway.
Curious about the system needed? Similar to what the old recip engine airliners used, multi station, Co2 systems, and would easily extinguish oil and gasoline fires that was the main purpose. The biggest issue was the stupidity of the manufactures of said engines using magnesium, the Co2 system could not put those fires out, as magnesium is very similar to the self feeding Li ion battery fires, especially when flying in rain storms ie when water was involved.
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