EV sales rise in California bucking claims of dwindling demand

[Rmay635703]

You experience was truly unique to anything and anywhere I lived or traveled during that time as well as anyone I know and talk to.

Vacationed at the peak of Covid from TN, mountains of NC and SC to Myrtle Beach hotels all summer.

But then again I’m surround by land of the free states.

You need to pay more attention

Door County has a single station going towards the Old Baldie sand dunes which had a lineup and ran out of gas late 2020, thankfully I had enough to get to the next town (overrun tourist trap)

In Oshkosh, gas deliveries were missed at several of the cheaper stations multiple times during the pandemic years, (conviently during the trucker protest) the station didn’t advertise the outage but the pumps were off.

Less important several stations I encountered stopped carrying “top tier” and mid grade during the pandemic with an “out” taped over the selection. After 2 years (post pandemic )they changed mid grade to e15

Several local businesses didn’t have disposable coffee cups during the trucker protests. (You had to fill your own). One place ran out of shopping bags.

One of the folks I follow on YouTube had to leave his house in Texas using the fuel left in his car because his utilities shut off, his water shutoff valve was stuck and there were no working local stations with fuel to run his generator, he drove several hundred miles to his grandmothers place that had fuel and light and working gas stations.

His house was flooded when he returned had several videos about it.

 

[TheLastWord]

In sick of the EV world being shoved down our throats by our wonderful government and the lies behind it all. People think EV‘s are all wonderful, but why don’t they ever talk about the child slave labor it is about digging up lithium and cobalt in those foreign nations that have no safety laws did people forget about blood diamonds, and all the child slave labor in the death that took place. You’re wonderful liberals don’t talk about how the water sources get destroyed by the digging up of lithium do they? They want to turn the blind eye to all of that and it’s not the best technology out there. Toyota is working on an ammonia engine California dot E 85 was the best thing to save the planet for a while not realizing that’s pretty much racing gas for any tune turbo car you just use twice as much but it’s real easy to make 1000+ horsepower. EV‘s are great if you want to live in a concrete jungle of a city. EVs are completely useless for traveling long distances unless you don’t mind taking a break of 4 hours every 200 miles. Which will if you cruise at speeds of 80+. CA is planning on tapping into EVs paying something like 50 cents a mile. So you pay $70,000 for the car but you never own the car because the car can shut itself down and become useless if you refuse to do the software updates that they require. Sorry I don’t need a car like that either. I don’t need an update for anything in my gas powered vehicle. If it gets an update because I’m tuning it. The only ones buying these electric vehicles are liberals. The liberals are the ones that believe in all oh my God, the climate it’s changing. God is the only one that controls the climate. We’re destroying the Earth by digging up all the extra lithium.

There’s only one reason why Iran and Russia is going after Israel is because Israel has over 100 years worth of oil in the ground and Russia wants the warm water ports because their ports are frozen half the year. The liberals want to get away from oil for whatever fascination they have but I’m sorry you can’t get away from oil because everything we use comes from oil the food you eat those machines are all lubricated by oil. Let me guess I think the last time I checked the money equipment runs on diesel fuel And all the diesel fuel that’s required in ships to get the batteries from China to the us. They have a fascination about making aircraft battery power who in the right mind was getting an airplane that’s battery powered? No I think I’ll stick with the jet engine. That’s been reliable for the last 50 years. Yeah, all these liberals want climate change, but don’t hop on a private jet, including Elon musk that’s powered by jet fuel that comes from crude oil. Maybe he can jump on the first battery, powered airplane see how long that last

You seen how dangerous lithium is put a battery in water and expose it it will explode when’s the last time you seen a gas car just explode besides Topfuel drag racing when they messed up the nitro methanol mixture.

People want a time is driving vehicles why so I can play on their cell phone? That was the best part of the United States. When we separate from England people love their automobiles people love to drive now America’s turn into a bunch of lazy people. This new young generation they don’t even want to drive a new car. they don’t know how to drive a manual transmission. Electric cars can be fast, but what fun is that and they make zero noise. That’s half the fun hearing an engine in its peak hp rpm range. Social media has destroyed this world. It’s made people self entitled. I need it now right now when I was a kid grown-up you didn’t get the news until 5 o’clock or I delivered the newspapers at 4:30 in the afternoon. That’s when you got the News kids were outside playing now they’re on their phone playing video games.

All this climate change is just a made up term by Al Gore.

Did your left over Halloween candy sugar fix just run out?

Or just have too much caffeine?

Where do I start with this nonsense? Just one example:

"There’s only one reason why Iran and Russia is going after Israel is because Israel has over 100 years worth of oil in the ground and Russia wants the warm water ports because their ports are frozen half the year."

 

[MSCH]

You experience was truly unique to anything and anywhere I lived or traveled during that time as well as anyone I know and talk to.

Vacationed at the peak of Covid from TN, mountains of NC and SC to Myrtle Beach hotels all summer.

But then again I’m surround by land of the free states.

electricity being out can happen... anywhere. Even in the free states, just ask Texas.
but one thing for sure is it is out for alot of people, when the bad stuff happens.
if it isn't out everywhere a person just goes down the street.
same applies to gasoline and any other shortage of modern conveniences.

 

[Astro14]

You do you - I’ll do me …
Not going to drop $30k+ over a rare inconvenience …

The estimate I got was closer to $12K. 20KW natural gas generator, platform, and switch.

The reason I haven’t “dropped” it has to do with how much longer we intend to keep the house, not the price tag. The ROI calculation includes the length of time here, and the number of potential events. We went without power for a couple of days after the last hurricane. Cars were filled up, chainsaw and gas was on hand, Makita radio had several charged batteries, but thousands of dollars of meat/food had to be thrown out when the freezer got warm after a couple of days without power.

For us, spending a couple thousand on a generator at our house in the beach is 100% wasted, because it is unlikely to get used for the reasons posted above. Once the storm surge flooding is here, there is no dry land around my house. None. There is no going out to get more gas, because the streets have several feet of water in them and the stations aren’t open (my neighbor owns one of them, I know if they’re open without having to go up there). There is no one who will be running cords to various appliances.

The nice thing about a portable generator (and I had one in Vermont, with a manual switch, and a connector that ran to the outside of the garage) is that it is portable. If I move, it comes with me.

In Vermont, I had a transfer panel to run interior lights, fridge, furnace, heat circulation, well, and sewage transfer pump. The threat there was an ice storm (or blizzard) taking down power lines. Pull the generator out of the garage, onto the flat driveway fire it up, plug it into the outside 220V receptacle, throw the switch in the basement, and the essentials were powered.

Here is our street with minor flooding. This was Sandy. It didn’t hit us hard…

But we’ve seen it a lot deeper.

 

[Astro14]

And you would be surprised at the amount of vehicle owners running around with a quarter tank of fuel or less.

Which is why stations around here run out of gas in the days leading up to a storm. Panic buying. Store shelves are bare for things like bread, bottled water, and canned goods. Funny to watch, but an important part of planning - last minute gas tank fill-up may not be an option.

 

[Astro14]

Sorry to take the thread so far off topic, but standby power is a subject near and dear to my heart. In my place in Northern Vermont, being without power means no water, no sewer, no heat - all become very important very quickly.

 

[MSCH]

The estimate I got was closer to $12K. 20KW natural gas generator, platform, and switch.

The reason I haven’t “dropped” it has to do with how much longer we intend to keep the house, not the price tag. The ROI calculation includes the length of time here, and the number of potential events. We went without power for a couple of days after the last hurricane. Cars were filled up, chainsaw and gas was on hand, Makita radio had several charged batteries, but thousands of dollars of meat/food had to be thrown out when the freezer got warm after a couple of days without power.

For us, spending a couple thousand on a generator at our house in the beach is 100% wasted, because it is unlikely to get used for the reasons posted above. Once the storm surge flooding is here, there is no dry land around my house. None. There is no going out to get more gas, because the streets have several feet of water in them and the stations aren’t open (my neighbor owns one of them, I know if they’re open without having to go up there). There is no one who will be running cords to various appliances.

The nice thing about a portable generator (and I had one in Vermont, with a manual switch, and a connector that ran to the outside of the garage) is that it is portable. If I move, it comes with me.

In Vermont, I had a transfer panel to run interior lights, fridge, furnace, heat circulation, well, and sewage transfer pump. The threat there was an ice storm (or blizzard) taking down power lines. Pull the generator out of the garage, onto the flat driveway fire it up, plug it into the outside 220V receptacle, throw the switch in the basement, and the essentials were powered.

Here is our street with minor flooding. This was Sandy. It didn’t hit us hard…

But we’ve seen it a lot deeper.

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you just said it. You are in evacuation country..You know it... so no sense in doing anything other than evacuating, Only thing you have to decide is how soon you evacuate so you don't become trapped.

cool thing with hurricanes is you get plenty of warning while the news media beats the WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE" drum and supplies will be available somewhere else once the initial pre hurricane hoarding routine is over .

That is what I always found interesting about pre hurricane panic... because people will buy up every gallon of gasoline, loaf of bread, piece of food,plywood, batteries etc on the shelves within the surrounding area and by the time the store's refill their shelves 2 days before the storm there is nowhere left for people to hoard anything. Then you can buy how much you want and no one will be in line.

 

[zzyzzx]

The estimate I got was closer to $12K. 20KW natural gas generator, platform, and switch.

The reason I haven’t “dropped” it has to do with how much longer we intend to keep the house, not the price tag. The ROI calculation includes the length of time here, and the number of potential events. We went without power for a couple of days after the last hurricane. Cars were filled up, chainsaw and gas was on hand, Makita radio had several charged batteries, but thousands of dollars of meat/food had to be thrown out when the freezer got warm after a couple of days without power.

For us, spending a couple thousand on a generator at our house in the beach is 100% wasted, because it is unlikely to get used for the reasons posted above. Once the storm surge flooding is here, there is no dry land around my house. None. There is no going out to get more gas, because the streets have several feet of water in them and the stations aren’t open (my neighbor owns one of them, I know if they’re open without having to go up there). There is no one who will be running cords to various appliances.

The nice thing about a portable generator (and I had one in Vermont, with a manual switch, and a connector that ran to the outside of the garage) is that it is portable. If I move, it comes with me.

In Vermont, I had a transfer panel to run interior lights, fridge, furnace, heat circulation, well, and sewage transfer pump. The threat there was an ice storm (or blizzard) taking down power lines. Pull the generator out of the garage, onto the flat driveway fire it up, plug it into the outside 220V receptacle, throw the switch in the basement, and the essentials were powered.

Here is our street with minor flooding. This was Sandy. It didn’t hit us hard…

But we’ve seen it a lot deeper.

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That person on the kayak could have gotten you some fuel for your generator.

 

[4WD]

The estimate I got was closer to $12K. 20KW natural gas generator, platform, and switch.

The reason I haven’t “dropped” it has to do with how much longer we intend to keep the house, not the price tag. The ROI calculation includes the length of time here, and the number of potential events. We went without power for a couple of days after the last hurricane. Cars were filled up, chainsaw and gas was on hand, Makita radio had several charged batteries, but thousands of dollars of meat/food had to be thrown out when the freezer got warm after a couple of days without power.

For us, spending a couple thousand on a generator at our house in the beach is 100% wasted, because it is unlikely to get used for the reasons posted above. Once the storm surge flooding is here, there is no dry land around my house. None. There is no going out to get more gas, because the streets have several feet of water in them and the stations aren’t open (my neighbor owns one of them, I know if they’re open without having to go up there). There is no one who will be running cords to various appliances.

The nice thing about a portable generator (and I had one in Vermont, with a manual switch, and a connector that ran to the outside of the garage) is that it is portable. If I move, it comes with me.

In Vermont, I had a transfer panel to run interior lights, fridge, furnace, heat circulation, well, and sewage transfer pump. The threat there was an ice storm (or blizzard) taking down power lines. Pull the generator out of the garage, onto the flat driveway fire it up, plug it into the outside 220V receptacle, throw the switch in the basement, and the essentials were powered.

Here is our street with minor flooding. This was Sandy. It didn’t hit us hard…

But we’ve seen it a lot deeper.

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That sounds low from what friends have spent in S La … granted they went even higher on watts and had a slab poured, aluminum frames built on slab, fencing, equipment and crews to get the gen up there - and complicated switch gear to virtually give up nothing …
They had been through allot and wanted allot …
(timing/demand matters as well) …

I have a so called “whole house” but its undersized - so have a propane portable (electric start) that gives some more - great for getting the outside fridge and freezer 20 minutes on the hour …
We don’t flood - that’s a whole mess right there alone …
I’m on a well protected grid that includes Police/Fire/EMS, the line provider, the hospital, and Walmart … my outages will be hours - not days - normally a bucket crew letting the lightning settle to fix what it damaged …

 

[Astro14]

That person on the kayak could have gotten you some fuel for your generator.

I've paddled my kayak around the whole neighborhood during coastal flooding. Beats trying to wade around in four or five feet of water.

But I wasn't here for Sandy, and couldn't get home from Denver, all the flights were canceled. Hence the need for a system to be self-starting and self-maintaining, or it does no good.

 

[4WD]

Which is why stations around here run out of gas in the days leading up to a storm. Panic buying. Store shelves are bare for things like bread, bottled water, and canned goods. Funny to watch, but an important part of planning - last minute gas tank fill-up may not be an option.

My wife is the half empty type and she always wins that one …

 

[4WD]

Cali will do what it wants, I filled up 20 gallons of 87 yesterday @ $2.74 cents and it took maybe 5 minutes max. Also, there are no power cords littering my driveway, nor do I have an app to know if my heated seat subscription payment is coming due. ICE life is good.

Man, it pays to look around - on a trip to Canyon Lake and back - saw some really big price differences - maybe time for an iPhone app if that’s the way forward …

 

[Brons2]

Man, it pays to look around - on a trip to Canyon Lake and back - saw some really big price differences - maybe time for an iPhone app if that’s the way forward …

I use the GasBuddy app if I'm not near a Costco, or if it's going to be out of the way to go to Costco, something that's a consideration if you have a large vehicle like my Navigator. You can burn up the savings in fuel to get there and back at 15.5 MPG. But generally speaking I try to work in trips to fill up at Costco if I am nearby one of the stores.

 

[Brons2]

I would think California gasoline prices are helping EV sales

CA electricity is extremely expenisve also, someone on here was saying they were paying 42 cents a kwh

I guess that in turn would help solar sales. The payback period would be a lot less than here in Texas. It's questionable that it could ever be economically justified at what my power costs. Although people put it in for other reasons here, like "I don't trust ERCOT".

 

[StumblingElk]

So if EV sales are down overall yet have increased in CA (due to pending legislation imagine least in some part) then that demonstrates how little actual demand there really is for EV.

I have no personal hangup with EV other than cost, range, and charge time which will all be sorted out in coming years. That said, most people can easily see that EV also isn't going to "save us" or make the earth greener.

 

[y_p_w]

CA electricity is extremely expenisve also, someone on here was saying they were paying 42 cents a kwh

I guess that in turn would help solar sales. The payback period would be a lot less than here in Texas. It's questionable that it could ever be economically justified at what my power costs. Although people put it in for other reasons here, like "I don't trust ERCOT".

It's really strange. There are some attempts for municipal electricity. I used to live in a city with city-owned electric distribution. The highest rates (time of use or just monthly tiered) max out at about 15 cents/kWh. Even my parents' EV TOU plan has a low price of about 27 cents.

 

[Leo99]

Which is why stations around here run out of gas in the days leading up to a storm. Panic buying. Store shelves are bare for things like bread, bottled water, and canned goods. Funny to watch, but an important part of planning - last minute gas tank fill-up may not be an option.

I can understand the panic before a hurricane, but we get the same panic before a snow storm. At worst, we're snowed in for one day.

 

[JeffKeryk]

So if EV sales are down overall yet have increased in CA (due to pending legislation imagine least in some part) then that demonstrates how little actual demand there really is for EV.

I have no personal hangup with EV other than cost, range, and charge time which will all be sorted out in coming years. That said, most people can easily see that EV also isn't going to "save us" or make the earth greener.

Remember, some EVs sell better than other EVs, just like any car.

 

[skaughtz]

According to the Maryland Department of Transportation, there are ~6,500,000 registered vehicles in the state. Of those, 86,000 (1.3%) are electric vehicles. The overwhelming majority of those 86,000 are Teslas.

Maryland is mirroring California's Advanced Clean Cars II program that will require all vehicles sold within the state from 2035 on to have zero emissions.

Just one state, but take from that what you will.

 

[alarmguy]

It isnt "bucking claims of dwindling demand"

It's really CA bucking the dwindling actual projected demand in the country vs increasing production. Im willing to bet even in CA outside of the cities the same is happening.

( I know I think too much)