EV sales rise and key revenue from gas tax plunges

[Trav]

Well this is a big surprise, any halfwit could foresee this happening yet CA seems better than anywhere else at dimwitted half baked ideas.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-roads-electric-car-tax-gas-sales-plunge.html

 

[SubieRubyRoo]

Well this is a big surprise, any halfwit could foresee this happening yet CA seems better than anywhere else at dimwitted half baked ideas.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-roads-electric-car-tax-gas-sales-plunge.html

No worries, Trav. They’ll claim their pound of flesh somehow.

 

[SC Maintenance]

I thought they were already taxing EV's at registration. I guess they didn't charge enough?

 

[Just a civilian pilot]

Well this is a big surprise, any halfwit could foresee this happening yet CA seems better than anywhere else at dimwitted half baked ideas.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-roads-electric-car-tax-gas-sales-plunge.html

Up here anyway, EV drivers are having a free lunch ( aka subsidized breakfast, lunch, dinner, and snack ) at other taxpayers' expense.

Federal and/or Provincial grant to buy one and not pay gas taxes like others to pay for the roads

 

[Kira]

gas taxes

Change the name to "road use tax" and go from there.
MINI-LECTURE: With adequate public transportation, transient upheavals among the various modes wouldn't be as serious.

 

[Torrid]

Well this is a big surprise, any halfwit could foresee this happening yet CA seems better than anywhere else at dimwitted half baked ideas.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-roads-electric-car-tax-gas-sales-plunge.html

We all pay road taxes with our tags for EVs. I'm sure California is the same and they are calling it something different, but that's what it's said it's for. My fee is $200, which is about twice what I paid in gas tax for the car it replaced. My tags for my Tesla end up being 3x what they are for my VW because of it.

All this number tells me though is that EVs are obviously replacing cars that covered a lot of miles. If it makes you feel bad you can buy more gas.

I thought they were already taxing EV's at registration. I guess they didn't charge enough?

No they're charging exorbitant amounts, but while that number is supposed to go into the road fund I'm sure it's calculated separate from the gas tax itself. Plus if they did that properly it wouldn't allow mindless rants about people not paying their fair share for road use.

 

[Oldwolf]

We have it organized similarly in North Carolina.

 

[Torrid]

What we can do is just go flat rate for everyone and remove the gas tax so everyone can get over it and stop complaining about all of this. We'll all pay more in the end this way, but there's not a way to get use accurately counted in without logging mileage on an EV and that still would be different than the amount of power it uses. Just go flat rate for everyone so we can all get fairly screwed.

 

[Trav]

We all pay road taxes with our tags for EVs. I'm sure California is the same and they are calling it something different, but that's what it's said it's for. My fee is $200, which is about twice what I paid in gas tax for the car it replaced. My tags for my Tesla end up being 3x what they are for my VW because of it.

All this number tells me though is that EVs are obviously replacing cars that covered a lot of miles. If it makes you feel bad you can buy more gas.


No they're charging exorbitant amounts, but while that number is supposed to go into the road fund I'm sure it's calculated separate from the gas tax itself. Plus if they did that properly it wouldn't allow mindless rants about people not paying their fair share for road use.

You just cant handle it when anything negative is posted about ev's can you even if it is the truth? You get so worked up you want to stop posting.

 

[Passport1]

The road tax deficit will balance out. Homelessness is a growth industry in CA. Homeless people don't drive much and the roads won't need so much attention. Less tax money needed.

 

[Torrid]

You just cant handle it when anything negative is posted about ev's can you even if it is the truth? You get so worked up you want to stop posting.

Your premise is wrong. We're paying road tax. It isn't coming out as a gas tax because we aren't pumping gas. I'm trying to figure out where they're doing their math beyond less gas is being sold, because most of the road tax paid with EV registration is equivalent to as much as 20,000 miles a year of gasoline depending on the area's prices.

We're told that road tax goes to do exactly what fuel tax does. If it's not that's a government issue and not an EV owner issue. We're paying the fees just as you are when you pump gas.

You didn't say anything crazy, I think the story is missing some details because personally I'd like to see where all that road tax we pay is going as EV owners. Again, California may be completely different than Wisconsin in this respect, but nearly every state if not all have added a road tax fee for EVs. Ours doubled from last year. At $100 I thought it was pretty accurate. At $200 it's really high for this state.

 

[Vercingetorix]

I just read the other day that the Roman Empire used evs and their heavier weight caused their roads to collapse and crippled the Roman legions resulting in the collapse.

 

[demarpaint]

No problem, just hike the tax on electricity, and on solar panel installations.

 

[Trav]

Your premise is wrong. We're paying road tax. It isn't coming out as a gas tax because we aren't pumping gas. I'm trying to figure out where they're doing their math beyond less gas is being sold, because most of the road tax paid with EV registration is equivalent to as much as 20,000 miles a year of gasoline depending on the area's prices.

We're told that road tax goes to do exactly what fuel tax does. If it's not that's a government issue and not an EV owner issue. We're paying the fees just as you are when you pump gas.

You didn't say anything crazy, I think the story is missing some details because personally I'd like to see where all that road tax we pay is going as EV owners. Again, California may be completely different than Wisconsin in this respect, but nearly every state if not all have added a road tax fee for EVs. Ours doubled from last year. At $100 I thought it was pretty accurate. At $200 it's really high for this state.

I pay excise tax (road tax) and state and federal gas tax. IMO ev drivers should pay at a minimum the same as gas cars pay in fuel tax and a higher road tax due to the additional weight these vehicles place on the roads, ditto for heavy pickups. 1000 -1500 a year seems fair.

 

[nickaluch]

Simple fix when you get your car inspected you pay by how many miles you went since your last inspection

 

[alarmguy]

I pay excise tax (road tax) and state and federal gas tax. IMO ev drivers should pay at a minimum the same as gas cars pay in fuel tax and a higher road tax due to the additional weight these vehicles place on the roads, ditto for heavy pickups. 1000 -1500 a year seems fair.

Yes and this is easy to do. Tax EVs on miles traveled.
But wrong on taxing heavy gasoline vehicles as they already pay more in gas tax.

 

[BHopkins]

I was just reading an article where Kentucky is addressing this very situation. As EV and hybrid cars increase, state fuel tax income has been on the decrease. So Kentucky is adding $120 for EV and $60 for hybrid to the annual registration, and $0.03/kW at EV charge stations. Their theory is that a majority portion of the $0.03/kW charge station surcharge will be paid by out of state travelers.

 

[BHopkins]

Yes and this is easy to do. Tax EVs on miles traveled.
But wrong on taxing heavy gasoline vehicles as they already pay more in gas tax.

That would be the fair thing to do. But so far, no one has figured a way to easily do this. Asking EV owners to report mileage each year at registration will likely result in under reporting. Have a LEO verify mileage at registration? Cumbersome and expensive, with better use of the time of a LEO. Track it electronically, like other metrics that can be picked up from cars? Seems like an intrusion on privacy to most.

 

[Torrid]

I pay excise tax (road tax) and state and federal gas tax. IMO ev drivers should pay at a minimum the same as gas cars pay in fuel tax and a higher road tax due to the additional weight these vehicles place on the roads, ditto for heavy pickups. 1000 -1500 a year seems fair.

We're paying close to double the fuel taxes in addition to our tag costs here for EVs. That's what I'm saying. At least here that's how it's done. You basically pay up front for the tax you would have paid buying fuel all year. It effectively means I pay 3x as much when renewing my registration compared to my other car.

This seems to cause confusion though because I don't think it's done this way everywhere.

The car weighs 3,800lbs. There's no additional weight compared to the average car unless the EV buyer is getting one of the big SUVs or trucks, though as the vehicle size does go up the pounds pack on much faster than an ICE vehicle.

Yes and this is easy to do. Tax EVs on miles traveled.
But wrong on taxing heavy gasoline vehicles as they already pay more in gas tax.

They need to come up with something different, whether it's miles or a flat rate based on the weight of the vehicle. I end up paying as much as someone that buys a Lightning or a Hummer EV, both of which weigh more than my EV, gasoline car, and all the powered equipment in my garage combined. I'm sure the idea was to flat rate it, but that likely means they don't pay enough and I pay way over for my use.

 

[Torrid]

That would be the fair thing to do. But so far, no one has figured a way to easily do this. Asking EV owners to report mileage each year at registration will likely result in under reporting. Have a LEO verify mileage at registration? Cumbersome and expensive, with better use of the time of a LEO. Track it electronically, like other metrics that can be picked up from cars? Seems like an intrusion on privacy to most.

Yes, but I like many others won't support a government agency tracking miles. You can glean way too much information from an OBD tracker and I would not submit to that either. It would be easy enough in a place like Phoenix where they require visual inspections on tag renewals, the official inspecting the car can note the miles and they may already do that. I can't recall, I haven't lived there in 15 years. That's the only place I've lived that had regular visual inspections.