EPA to Propose Tougher Tailpipe-Emissions Standards

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The most simple example is current emissions components on vehicles such as the DPF, EGR, catalytic converter.
The impact of these systems on air quality in cities like Los Angeles was significant.
I don't think anyone would disagree with that!

My point, is that we are talking about 15% of the greenhouse gas emitters. So even if all the cars suddenly vanished...we only have a 15% in reduction.

We have gone so far with this, we are well past the point of diminished returns.

I am not trying to be argumentative, it's just that we (the consumer) end up with vehicles which are more expensive, less reliable, have lower fuel economy, need more repair over their life cycle, and generally won't last as long.

Take for example, DPFs on a diesel...., EGR on a diesel, both reduce economy and shorten the life of the engine, and choke horsepower.

With GDI we are producing more PM and will end up with a similar filter to a DPF.

With gasoline we can go into lean burn of something like 20:1 but NOx would be through the roof. My point is that there needs to be a balance of fuel economy and emissions.

They will always push for lower emissions, but people done realize that means lower fuel economy.

I'm for energy independence, foreign energy should not be relied of.
 
I don't think anyone would disagree with that!

My point, is that we are talking about 15% of the greenhouse gas emitters. So even if all the cars suddenly vanished...we only have a 15% in reduction.

We have gone so far with this, we are well past the point of diminished returns.

I am not trying to be argumentative, it's just that we (the consumer) end up with vehicles which are more expensive, less reliable, have lower fuel economy, need more repair over their life cycle, and generally won't last as long.

Take for example, DPFs on a diesel...., EGR on a diesel, both reduce economy and shorten the life of the engine, and choke horsepower.

With GDI we are producing more PM and will end up with a similar filter to a DPF.

With gasoline we can go into lean burn of something like 20:1 but NOx would be through the roof. My point is that there needs to be a balance of fuel economy and emissions.

They will always push for lower emissions, but people done realize that means lower fuel economy.

I'm for energy independence, foreign energy should not be relied of.
It is small only because all sources are "small" when viewed individually.

Emissions components are a very small cost adder especially when you consider that automakers have implemented YoY price increases regardless. Also, vehicles today are built significantly better than vehicles in the past. That's a fact due to the number of older vehicles which are on the road today compared to the past.

EGR and DPF do not shorten the lifespan of an engine. Anyone who's telling you that is lying. EGR has been around for over 40 years. Yes you loose some FE but it's for emissions (NOX). In any case, diesel isn't more efficient than gasoline anyways because it takes more oil to produce a gallon of diesel than a gallon of gasoline. It's only more efficient when viewed through mpgs. If diesel and gas were priced at the same $/btu hardly anyone would own a diesel.

Europe has already implemented the OPF (Otto cycle Particulate Filter). Fuel economy hasn't be hurt.

What people need to understand is that the goal of policymakers is to transition as much of the sector to BEV or PHEV/Hybrid. There will be a significant FE gain for the majority of the driving public as well as a reduction in lifecycle emissions. This is part of the overall goal to "electrify" the economy so that millions of individual point emissions can be consolidated down to the hundreds of thousands.
 
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The ICE auto makers better start lobbying or drawing lines in the sand with Congress or they'll be unable to survive these "hand on the scale in favor of EV" regulations.

Ford and GM want EVs, so it’s unlikely they’ll be lobbying hard on anything related to that. They were pushing for them long before the current administration, or the CA 2035 law became offical.

Here was Ford in 2017 preparing investors for the switch to EVs

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Source:
http://s22.q4cdn.com/857684434/files/doc_presentations/2017/CEO-Strategic-Update-12.pdf


Now, 6 years later, this Ford plan is well underway in the new Tennessee EV truck plant under construction.

Ford is developing its second-generation EV truck in tandem with the all-new assembly plant, resulting in efficiencies never before possible – such as a 30 percent smaller general assembly footprint than traditional plants while delivering higher production capacity.

Source:
https://media.ford.com/content/ford...ric-truck--project-t3--at-blueoval-city-.html

As for GM, they announced the groundwork for the Ultium program and the construction of battery plants at least as far back as 2019.

Here’s the first battery plant announced in 2019
https://www.theverge.com/2019/12/5/...-vehicle-battery-joint-venture-chem-lordstown

By my count, Ford and GM have committed to at least $20B into EV and battery plants and projects. And more are on the way. No way they’re going shut down these factories half-finished.

Ford and GM have committed to selling mostly EVs. It’s a done deal - they’re not going back. EVs ultimately will be more profitable. Simple as that.
 
I've read them. Did not see any headaches.
What you missed, is excess wear. It doesn't mean engines are blowing up all over the place because of it...but it can lead to engines consuming oil earlier than they would have otherwise... leading to the uninformed general public running low on oil and blowing it up themselves. There isn't a benefit to excessively thin oil other than corporate average fuel economy and emissions, which is not typically perceivable by the vehicle owner anyway.
The point is, that the agenda does not care about vehicle longevity. It cares about fuel economy numbers, emissions from the tailpipe (not vehicle production or scrapping... because they need to sell lots of vehicles to keep the economy going so long lasting vehicles are a bad thing unless you're the owner of the vehicle).
 
Those 80s Jetta/Rabbit diesels were very efficient
They were also slow, and those Passive belts weren't really gonna save you
Same thing for 90s Metros/Tercels/Escorts/Paseos/etc

The rose tinted specs make them seem so good, but they could barley get to highway speeds with the A/C on, were as rigid as a week old salad, and were comparative death traps if you crashed them
I managed to drive the above mentioned vehicles for around 36 years and managed to survive. And as for the slowness part, sure they were slow. So what!
 
I managed to drive the above mentioned vehicles for around 36 years and managed to survive. And as for the slowness part, sure they were slow. So what!
Drive one now and get hit by a 5000 lb SUV even at low speed and see what happens.
 
Tack another $10K on the price of a new car. One more step toward the elimination of private transportation.
This is the overall goal. Once the fossil fuel industry is nearly destroyed they will pull the plug on EV manufacturing.
 
Hopefully the Big Oil lobbyists can keep spreading the folding green fertilizer around to keep gasoline available (although I'm sure very expensive), and SOMEBODY realizes that hybrids & plug-in hybrids are an acceptable alternative to all out EV production. Otherwise a Hunger Games level economy is a real possibility...
 
What if cars were running on straight ethanol E100, would they need catalytic converters? Would there be any pollution?
You can test that theory out in Brazil where they sell neat ethanol at every pump. But, having had been a few times, yes the cars still produce pollution and have regular emission systems.
 
There are eight billion people on the planet now. By definition, as populations increase, available resources per person diminish. Support Planned Parenthood?

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Global depopulation is up with World wide excess deaths...strange not one peep from the media.
 
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