ekpolk that's one of the best posts ever on this forum. Ex military myself and having lived in many countries over the decades a balanced view like yours comes naturally to me. Not the same for some though.
ELF Excellium LDX 0w-30
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Elpolk: You are right. It is wrong to judge all French by the actions of their goverment. Having said that I still would never buy anything French made. A coworker of mine went to Paris on his honeymoon and was spat at when they heard his Yankee accent. Frenchmen were in deep in the "oil for food" shenanigans and it is one of the main reasons that they opposed us going in to Iraq.quote:
Originally posted by ekpolk:
OK, I hate to toss the dark cloak of seriousness over this most entertaining thread, but I've got to respond to this. Pbm, I am a Lieutenant Colonel in the U.S. Marine Corps. I've been a Marine for well over two decades. Unlike so many of my middle-aged friends who look for meaning in their lives, I feel both pride and purpose when I dress for work in the morning. I don't countenance for a moment the politics that encourage or allow a "friendly" country to supply arms to the folks who are killing and wounding my colleagues. But I am equally insistent that Americans stand up for and retain our American way of treating fellow human beings, even during these most trying times. Since when do we make a practice of judging people by the land in which they were born or perhaps the sound of their family name??? The prevailing wind of French politics may not be to your liking (it's not to mine), but making judgments like this isn't very helpful, for any number of reasons, not the least of which is that it lowers you to near the level of those you seem to despise. In addition, while I don't know this company, it might just be that they are an outfit run by folks who, despite being "French," are actually sympathetic to us and our cause.
It's your money, spend it how you want. But you know, it's pretty discouraging to be defending this country and at the same time, see that we are devolving to the point where we judge people an products in this way. Would you hire someone named "Forrest" over a better-qualified "DuBois" because of the origin of their surname? As we debate this, we are immersed in a life-and-death struggle with a bunch of barbarians who want to kill you and me for one reason: we are Americans. They don't know you or me or anything about us other than that we are American. Aren't we better than people like this? I really hope so. C'mon folks, think about what it is we're fighting for!
The French never joined or contributed to NATO because they were protected by Nato due to their geographic location. I have little respect for the French.
pbm - A tip. Don't go by what others have supposedly heard/seen, see for yourself. I guarantee anywhere you go, France, Iran, Dubai, England and yes even Australia. If you havn't travelled, they will be totally different than your preconceptions. Take Australia for instance. Tourists expect to see Kangaroos jumping down the streets when in reality the only time your average Aussie will see one is if they visit a zoo (we are the most urbanised nation on Earth by the way). As they say on TV channel SBS here "The world is an amazing place"
Guys, thanks for the kind words. Buster is correct, by the way. I'd like to hear some specifics about this oil, what it's made from and how it performs. French or not, a new product in our market, especially if it's a player, is good for all of us, because it turns up the heat on our regular suppliers to offer us an even better product to keep our business. So, anyone got a VOA or a UOA on any of their products yet?
Apologies to all.
It looks like they use the FM's developed from Formula 1 Racing oils in the SXR 5w-30 .quote:
Originally posted by buster:
These guys are no joke, they have been involved in F1 racing for over 30yrs. Lots of R&D too.
http://www.lubrifiants.elf.com/en/documents/1048689030_0452.pdf
The SXR 5w-30 and the 5w-40 LDX appears to be the bargains of the bunch . If I understand correctly , better fuel mileage with the SXR 5w-30 than the light Evolution 0w-30 I have been using .
I gotta say those prices on these two oils are really competitive @ 5.10 a liter vs some others on the market .
EDIT :
The LDX 5w-40 is Ester/PAO while the SXR 5w-30 is PAO only .
The LDX 5w-40 meets some nice specs ,I wonder how it does compared to Mobil 0w-40 in price vs performance ? Bet it wins out and lower vi @ 40c makes it a better choice for gassers than Delvac
Talking out loud there
[ September 10, 2004, 07:46 AM: Message edited by: Motorbike ]
LDX 5W-40 is PAO/Gr.III blend (think as well as SXR 5W-30). 5W-40 was 100 % synthetic until 1999-2000 and it was called Elf Synthese. At this time Elf changed its formulation and label: description "full synthetic" was substituted by "synthetic technology" or "advanced synthetic technology". This concerned all 5W-40 oils made by TotalFinaElf. And if I am not mistaken, the company was the first who openly said: we had changed the formulation from PAO to PAO/Gr.III blend (because of some advantages/required properties that could not be reached by 100 % PAO formulation).
The only "pure" synthetic remains (remained) 0W-40. As for LDX 0W-30, who knows, may be it is not 100 % synthetic in a pure sense too.
The only "pure" synthetic remains (remained) 0W-40. As for LDX 0W-30, who knows, may be it is not 100 % synthetic in a pure sense too.
all this sounds great but when are we going to see some of this oils at local auto parts store?
Dang , run out of time for checking but here is the 0w-40 translation .... will do more checking and post later unless someone else does before I get to it..hint hint
Preparation from synthetic hydrocarbons and additives
I don't make this up when I post but maybe the info I get is wrong ? I am looking at the N SAP code and description shows the 5w-40 LDX to be PAO Ester , but I don't doubt what you saying ,Primus and thanks for your post .
Got nothing against group III/PAO's either as long as not run of the mill stuff for 5 bucks
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I came up with this on the SXR 5w-30
eleven synthesis technology which has something to do with this
Total synthesis and development of new total synthesis of biologically active natural products
Labman , MolaKule ?
[ September 10, 2004, 05:16 PM: Message edited by: Motorbike ]
Preparation from synthetic hydrocarbons and additives
I don't make this up when I post but maybe the info I get is wrong ? I am looking at the N SAP code and description shows the 5w-40 LDX to be PAO Ester , but I don't doubt what you saying ,Primus and thanks for your post .
Got nothing against group III/PAO's either as long as not run of the mill stuff for 5 bucks
EDIT:
I came up with this on the SXR 5w-30
eleven synthesis technology which has something to do with this
Total synthesis and development of new total synthesis of biologically active natural products
Labman , MolaKule ?
[ September 10, 2004, 05:16 PM: Message edited by: Motorbike ]
buster, I think Motorbike has just taken the "tawdry little oil slutlette" award away from you.
As I understand Excellium LDX 0W-30 will substitute (may be in some countries only) Excellium 0W-40. Unfortunately not all Elf national pages give PDS or MSDS. The most full info is provided by German page. You will need to chose "Elf" and click on "motorenole":
http://216.95.210.237:8208/cgi-bin/...11&file=/part11/chap1/content.htm&teasing=off
Elf Excellium LDX 0W-30:
http://www.total.de/lubsuch/cd/1-PK...tdatenblatt/Excellium%20LDX%200W30%200703.pdf
http://www.total.de/lubsuch/cd/1-PK...tenblatt/EXCELLIUM%20LDX%200W-30%20020325.pdf
Spanish page is limited, but still better than Elf home page in French or English:
http://www.lubricants.elf.com/cgi-b...art1/chap1/sub/00001158.htm&teasing=off&sub=1
http://216.95.210.237:8208/cgi-bin/...11&file=/part11/chap1/content.htm&teasing=off
Elf Excellium LDX 0W-30:
http://www.total.de/lubsuch/cd/1-PK...tdatenblatt/Excellium%20LDX%200W30%200703.pdf
http://www.total.de/lubsuch/cd/1-PK...tenblatt/EXCELLIUM%20LDX%200W-30%20020325.pdf
Spanish page is limited, but still better than Elf home page in French or English:
http://www.lubricants.elf.com/cgi-b...art1/chap1/sub/00001158.htm&teasing=off&sub=1
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The 5w-30 as interesting as it is leaves a bottom line for me and my uses/needs . I'll use up what I have eventually in the interest of testing but I'm sticking with the
Oklahoma made oil when I need a 30wt Synlube
The 5w-30 as interesting as it is leaves a bottom line for me and my uses/needs . I'll use up what I have eventually in the interest of testing but I'm sticking with the
Oklahoma made oil when I need a 30wt Synlube
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And their 10W40 sti has a flash point of 464F !!
I wish i had bought that case of 24 quarts last year when i visited the local distributor but 180 euros seemed way too high for a semi....
you lucky americans ,i bet they are selling it half price in the states
LDX 5W-40 was one of the best I had tried. Seems my Honda liked it more than actual CG 0W-30 I have managed to find. LDX was more quiet and enthusiastic in revving. Quite unusual in respect of the rate of consumption: zero during the first 4000 km despite the average speed was about 120 km/h and 0.5 ml during the next 3000 km. Given I have 17 liters of Elf 0W-40 I shall try it for the next fills.
Was the color of the 5w-40 yellow ?
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I take that to mean they are using various natural esters such as rapeseed oil, sunflower oil, etc., in addition to their PAO and synthesized esters.
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