Elantra stop and go - dino or synthetic?

[shpankey]

Originally Posted By: fdcg27

It also depends upon which oil from each we are speaking of, since it is widely thought that the Euro spec oils are probably mostly Grp IV, like Syntec 0W-30, M1 0W-40, as well as the 5W-40 flavors of PP and Synpower, but who knows, outside of the companies themselves?

I don't think the Euro formula of PP 5w40 is mostly group IV. I think they said it was group III+ in their question/answer session with bitog. Though they were talking about Ultra Euro 5w40 but I don't think the platinum would have it if the ultra doesn't. That's not saying anything bad at all about it, I have some myself, as per your point a lot more goes into making a quality oil product that just the basestock being group IV or V.

 

[synthetic_crazy]

If running Platinum will help you sleep better at night, try it! I use PP in my Corolla and LOVE it. I have no desire to try any other type of oil in the 'rolla for a while. It is great stuff!

 

[Durango]

Originally Posted By: flinter
Hi,

I drive a MINT 2006 Hyundai Elantra GLS sedan currently with
37,000 miles. The car runs beautifully and I have been doing
5000 mile OCI with MC Syn Blend 5w30 and Hyundai oil filter.

However, my commute to work is just 10 miles and I do a lot a
short trips of a few miles.

Since I plan to run the car to at least 150,000 miles, would using a full synthetic like PP provide better long term protection for my type of driving?

Thanks!


flinter,

You and I have basically the same driving conditions prety much down to a "Tee". I drive about 12 miles to work everyday and use Mobil 1 synthetic 5w30 in my 08' Impala SS and am very happy using it. Currently my OLM indicates to cange it out every 6K.

For long term protection a full synthetic is good enough to go at least my current 6K OCI's. IF your hinting you wanna god further then I'd go with an "extended" version as long as your oil filter can handle it. Mobil 1 "extended" is claimed to go up to 15K so it's possible one can do OCI's on an annual basis.

Durango

 

[sangyup81]

I'm the USA you can legally call a highly refined dino oil that is virtually a synthetic based on performance a full synthetic.

True synthetic is a term not really used in the market but I have seen Amsoil use the term 100% synthetic to refer SSO, ASL, and ASM for example while they let us know that their XL like uses hydrocracked oil as a base.

 

[ARCOgraphite]

Originally Posted By: daman
chubbs is good for his erroneous statements he knows nothing, his above post proves it time and time again.
I'll defend Chubbs from the "Big OIL Stooges"

Most all "full syn" labeled oils are refined from dino oil. A synthetic is a paraffin "synthesized" from basic building blocks - pure molecules - in to homogeneous paraffinic oil molecule with NO undesirables. Group III have "some " of the improved performance of synthetics, but are absolutely not equivalent. Synthesized base oils are costly, Thats why they are only used where absolutely required. The syn SIN is calling a super premium cat dewaxed and hydrocracked dino oil a syn because it performs like one. Thats like calling a 3 micron gold plated watch a 18K solid gold watch. Yeah, it tells time - but boy did you get bamboozeled, Joey!

 

[Capa]

Arco, you typically throw in a bunch of technical terms in your sentences but your syntax is poor and makes it difficult to discern what exactly you are saying. If I've understood you well, in your first post you stated that there is no difference in wear and engine longevity between dino and synthetics. Your last statement seems to state that there is a "performance" difference between group 3 and other synthetics. You seem to be contradicting yourself. Also you asked for evidence in your first post that synthetics are superior to dino, I ask for the same thing with your last group 3 statement.

 

[daman]

Originally Posted By: ARCOgraphite
Originally Posted By: daman
chubbs is good for his erroneous statements he knows nothing, his above post proves it time and time again.
I'll defend Chubbs from the "Big OIL Stooges"

Most all "full syn" labeled oils are refined from dino oil. A synthetic is a paraffin "synthesized" from basic building blocks - pure molecules - in to homogeneous paraffinic oil molecule with NO undesirables. Group III have "some " of the improved performance of synthetics, but are absolutely not equivalent. Synthesized base oils are costly, Thats why they are only used where absolutely required. The syn SIN is calling a super premium cat dewaxed and hydrocracked dino oil a syn because it performs like one. Thats like calling a 3 micron gold plated watch a 18K solid gold watch. Yeah, it tells time - but boy did you get bamboozeled, Joey!

 

[Doug Hillary]

Hi,
chubbs1 - As requested earlier please define what you mean by "Full"? So far your definitions are rather meaningless

 

[tig1]

Originally Posted By: ARCOgraphite
Originally Posted By: daman
chubbs is good for his erroneous statements he knows nothing, his above post proves it time and time again.
I'll defend Chubbs from the "Big OIL Stooges"

Most all "full syn" labeled oils are refined from dino oil. A synthetic is a paraffin "synthesized" from basic building blocks - pure molecules - in to homogeneous paraffinic oil molecule with NO undesirables. Group III have "some " of the improved performance of synthetics, but are absolutely not equivalent. Synthesized base oils are costly, Thats why they are only used where absolutely required. The syn SIN is calling a super premium cat dewaxed and hydrocracked dino oil a syn because it performs like one. Thats like calling a 3 micron gold plated watch a 18K solid gold watch. Yeah, it tells time - but boy did you get bamboozeled, Joey!


Just a couple of things I noticed .
Mobil clean 5000 5-30 dino.
PP=-33C
FP=200C




M1 5-30
PP=-45C
FP=225C

Not critizing dino at all, but there is a differance that some customers my want.

 

[dparm]

If the car is doing a lot of short trips, a synthetic oil will deal with that better. Honestly a good dino would suffice but if you snag some synthetic oil on sale (like AutoZone's Castrol/K&N deal right now) it's totally worth the extra few bucks.

You could easily run Castrol Syntec out to 7k or beyond in that car. The 0w30 "German" version would be great for the winters and has a proven track record. $29.99 for 5qt + K&N filter at AZ right now.

 

[dave1251]

Originally Posted By: chubbs1
Originally Posted By: kcfx4
what about castrol edge?


Only Full synthetics (in US) are Redline, RLI, and some of the Amsoil brands. All the other oils like M1, EDGE, are partial "syns" they are blended too, while I believe PP and PU are highly refined Group II+ and III. They are great, blends are better anyway because all the 5 groups have different benefits in engines (except for Grp.I which is pretty defunct). MotorCraft is a great oil and will give your car a long life at 5K intervals in short, stop and go situations. Most other ouls that say blend are hype and only use tiny amounts of good oils.


PP and PU are group III. Group II oils are conventional.

 

[901Memphis]

I thought Mobil 1 was group 4?