Effect of Wear on OCI

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If an engine has an optimal oil change interval of 10,000 mi when fresh how much would you expect that to be reduced during the final 25% of its life?

(Nothing magical about the 10,000 mi just makes the percentages easy).
 
If an engine has an optimal oil change interval of 10,000 mi when fresh how much would you expect that to be reduced during the final 25% of its life?

(Nothing magical about the 10,000 mi just makes the percentages easy).
What parameter(s) are you using to determine when to change the oil? The other problem is what’s the EOL?

Blow-by is a problem in older and worn engines and that can drastically affect the oil condition, as well as accelerate the end.
 
What parameter(s) are you using to determine when to change the oil? The other problem is what’s the EOL?

Blow-by is a problem in older and worn engines and that can drastically affect the oil condition, as well as accelerate the end.

It's a hypothetical. I'm just trying to get a feel for how much a 50,000 mi engine / 10,000 mi oci should typically be reduced at 250,000 mi?

If a 4 cylinder Honda Civic gets 10,000 mi OCI at 50,000 mi would a 6,000 mi OCI be in the ballpark at 250,000 mi?

(Don't own one. Just an example)
 
Reduce what?

I'm having a hard time figuring out what you're trying to do. Reduce engine wear?
I know of no recently produced vehicles that specify 10,000 mile oil changes. We try to deal in facts here, at least for starting a discussion.
 
Reduce what?

I'm having a hard time figuring out what you're trying to do. Reduce engine wear?
I know of no recently produced vehicles that specify 10,000 mile oil changes. We try to deal in facts here, at least for starting a discussion.

I'm asking how much faster the typical 250,000 mi engine degrades its oil than the typical 50,000 mi engine. It would stand to reason to reduce the OCI as the engine ages to account for it.
 
Sorry, way too many variables. Does the engine burn oil? Does it have blowby? What type of use does it endure? All of these things enter into it and you just can't possibly give it a number.
For the sake of your question, I'll venture a guess at 50%.
 
If you’re talking about the final 25% of the vehicles life, I think yes, the oil would degrade faster as the engine has aged (load of miles, etc). You’re talking about more blow by and clearances larger. So sure, I’d say the oil would degrade faster with THAT type of scenario for sure. And then there is the club that would suggest upping the weight of oil (increasing the viscosity) as the engine ages.
 
For the sake of your question, I'll venture a guess at 50%.


I used to not worry about it because the increase in add oil largely offset the increase in contamination. But when you see turbo direct injection engines with 300,000 mi that go 8,000 mi without needing add oil it's hard to believe they don't have increased blowby and contamination and are not doing a job on the oil when held to the same OCI as when younger.
 
I used to not worry about it because the increase in add oil largely offset the increase in contamination. But when you see turbo direct injection engines with 300,000 mi that go 8,000 mi without needing add oil it's hard to believe they don't have increased blowby and contamination and are not doing a job on the oil when held to the same OCI as when younger.

I understand exactly what you were asking in your original question.
As a engine wears it stands to reason that the oil needs to be changed more often. At what miles does it start to need to be changed at 8k instead of 10k?
Only a oil sample could tell you that.

Now lets assume from day one a brand new Civic you use a top quality full synthetic oil and high quality oil filter and are religious about oil changes, never more than a couple hundred miles over, you use the same oil and filter forever.

Grandpa drives the car, in theory 10k oil changes will be good forever and no adjustment will be needed.

Teenage boy drives the car hot rods the hell outta it, oil changes will need to be adjusted.

Part of the reason for oil changes is to protect the engine, in theory as long as you change the oil BEFORE it goes bad no extra wear should happen and 10k will be fine for as long as you want.

Frequently switch brands of oil and filter without doing a oil sample and sticking to 10k oil changes, you are risking leaving worn out oil in the engine and increasing wear.

Now, in practice, I have been a truck driver for 30 years and a fleet manager for the last 18 months.

Trucking companies do oil samples to determine the optimal oil change interval, they average the whole fleet and leave a little wiggle room.
They stick to one motor oil and one filter brand and never switch, if they do switch they do another oil sample.
Once the oil change intervals are determined, they leave them at that for as long as they power unit is on the road. There is no “every 3 months or 3k whichever is sooner”, it is 22k regardless if it takes a month or a year. And these engines last well over 1 million miles.
I‘m using 22k as a example, some go as long as 80k, some as short as 10k, just all depends on how the unit is used.

Now, as a fleet manager, I have studied the engine that is in all of my units and what Ford recommends for oil change intervals, then at 50k I did a oil sample.
I am using a synthetic blend 15w-40 diesel oil in the Ford 7.3L Godzilla gasoline V8.
Oil sample said I could easily go another 1,000 miles on a oil change, I am doing 10k and I will stick with that until the units are scraped.

The oil change monitor on my units comes on anywhere from 7-8,300 miles. My guys ignore it, I do 10,000 mile oil changes. Period. The end. I am religious about it. I am using the same oil and filter for the foreseeable future.
Fluids are checked once a week, I top off as needed.
 
Trucking companies do oil samples to determine the optimal oil change interval, they average the whole fleet and leave a little wiggle room.
They stick to one motor oil and one filter brand and never switch, if they do switch they do another oil sample.
I'm in the camp of finding an oil and a filter that works and sticking with it. The idea of changing based on fads, what's on sale, or wanting to use up some old stock is anathema to me. Perhaps you could expound upon why trucking companies stay with one brand of oil. It might be educational for us.
 
If an engine has an optimal oil change interval of 10,000 mi when fresh how much would you expect that to be reduced during the final 25% of its life?

(Nothing magical about the 10,000 mi just makes the percentages easy).
Id say theres probably too many variables at play to really make a good guess. How you drive, what kind of conditions you drive in, etc, etc all play a role.
 
I'm in the camp of finding an oil and a filter that works and sticking with it. The idea of changing based on fads, what's on sale, or wanting to use up some old stock is anathema to me. Perhaps you could expound upon why trucking companies stay with one brand of oil. It might be educational for us.

Price. Availability. That’s it. Those are the reasons. Pretty simple. When a single oil change requires as much as 20gal of motor oil price is the number one factor.
Next is can we never run out?
They are willing to use any brand of motor oil, they just need to know when to change it.
They are not going to go cheap, and they will not go expensive either. They are in business to make money not spend it. Spend the least and get the most.
Shell Rotella is probably number one brand, then Mobil Delvac, then Chevron.
Full synthetic costs to much for a large fleet unless they can run their PM’s to the moon.
Shell Rotella T6 full synthetic is rated for 80k in a over the road application.
Most big diesels have two oil filters and each oil filter is about the size of a 2L Coke bottle.

The average over the road truck get’s 100,000 miles a year.

In my personal vehicles I stick with one oil brand, one that I can get easily without having to order it and is not going to break the bank. Is of high quality, good reputation and one that I can trust. My Land Cruiser holds 8qts, see’s 25-30k a year and I change the oil every 5k.
 
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