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I remember those and actually have a pureone laying around from my own vehicle from years ago, might cut it open one day
Ecoboost 3.5 Oil filter every other oil change
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that's what the cost different might be, not the cost of the filter haha
You asked specifically about the Fram endurance, and somebody else made the obviously false claim that changing the filter every time only cost $2 different… so one would posit that the only thing that changed was addition of the oil filter… therefore the claim that Fram Endurance was only $2.
It’s ~$12.97 and will easily last 25k whether it’s twenty-five 1k intervals or one 25k interval (looking at @DirectRejection
) … the filter doesn’t know when you’ve done an oil change. It’s just filtering. And this one has proven it’s capable. Just don’t try this on a sludged up engine that you just started running HPL in.
In that case, start at 5k FCIs with C&Ps to check for particulates, and go from there.Here are a few previous discussions on this topic that may help you to resolve this common conundrum:
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/relevance-of-changing-the-oil-filter-every-oci.349878/
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/run-a-fram-ultra-for-2-3-ocis.223405/
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/oil-filter-going-2-oci-thoughts.375462/
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/running-oil-filters-multiple-ocis.286552/
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/using-filter-for-second-oci.184664/
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/why-does-honda-recommed-one-filter-for-two-ocis.201732/
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/would-you-run-a-fram-ultra-for-two-changes.281484/
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/can-i-use-an-oil-filter-twice.384569/
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/t...-premium-oil-filter-on-with-low-miles.346136/
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/using-an-oil-filter-for-2-oci-question.161017/
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/changing-filter-every-other-oci.249377/
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/changing-filter-every-other-oci.243017/
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/using-oil-filter-for-multiple-ocs.244359/
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/anyone-go-multiple-oci-without-changing-filter.223732/
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/q-for-people-that-go-multiple-oci-on-oil-filters.226515/
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/t...-filters-when-not-doing-extended-ocis.367501/
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/one-filter-one-oci-or-use-it-again.283503/
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/t...ng-oil-filters-for-multiple-intervals.313842/
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/t...ictate-an-oil-filter-change-every-oci.330108/
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/when-re-using-your-oil-filter.173308/
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/fram-ultra-oci-question.257764/
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/can-i-skip-filter-change.208970/
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/your-opinion-on-reusing-oil-filters.133999/
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/oil-filter-oci-question.139723/
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/2-oil-changes-per-filter.299391/
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/changing-oil-filter-every-other-time.198304/
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/relevance-of-changing-the-oil-filter-every-oci.349878/
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/run-a-fram-ultra-for-2-3-ocis.223405/
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/oil-filter-going-2-oci-thoughts.375462/
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/running-oil-filters-multiple-ocis.286552/
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/using-filter-for-second-oci.184664/
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/why-does-honda-recommed-one-filter-for-two-ocis.201732/
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/would-you-run-a-fram-ultra-for-two-changes.281484/
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/can-i-use-an-oil-filter-twice.384569/
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/t...-premium-oil-filter-on-with-low-miles.346136/
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/using-an-oil-filter-for-2-oci-question.161017/
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/changing-filter-every-other-oci.249377/
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/changing-filter-every-other-oci.243017/
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/using-oil-filter-for-multiple-ocs.244359/
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/anyone-go-multiple-oci-without-changing-filter.223732/
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/q-for-people-that-go-multiple-oci-on-oil-filters.226515/
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/t...-filters-when-not-doing-extended-ocis.367501/
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/one-filter-one-oci-or-use-it-again.283503/
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/t...ng-oil-filters-for-multiple-intervals.313842/
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/t...ictate-an-oil-filter-change-every-oci.330108/
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/when-re-using-your-oil-filter.173308/
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/fram-ultra-oci-question.257764/
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/can-i-skip-filter-change.208970/
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/your-opinion-on-reusing-oil-filters.133999/
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/oil-filter-oci-question.139723/
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/2-oil-changes-per-filter.299391/
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/changing-oil-filter-every-other-time.198304/
You mean to tell me that this isn’t a new topic?
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I guess I more so should have asked if what makes engines like these harder on their oil applies to the oil filter too, and that one titled "does a di engine dictate an oil filter change every oci?" is what i'm looking for
If a car is still in warranty I would not go multiple oil changes with the same filter. That can void your warranty. Also I would be conservative with a boosted motor as the turbo will likely be the first thing that will fail.
I agree that its about ease, not cost. If the filter is hard to reach, then I might consider ever second oil change.
The filter rating in my world is night and day compared to an oil rating. 20K oil rating is only rating the oil, not dilution nor particles less than any filter can pull out - so say particles under 10um which are well known in the industrial world to cause harm.
So I think almost any filter is rated at 10K intervals at this point. I would err towards build quality in this case given your dumping all the contaminants out every 5K anyway. 5K is a good interval especially for those engines known to dilute or shear.
The filter rating in my world is night and day compared to an oil rating. 20K oil rating is only rating the oil, not dilution nor particles less than any filter can pull out - so say particles under 10um which are well known in the industrial world to cause harm.
So I think almost any filter is rated at 10K intervals at this point. I would err towards build quality in this case given your dumping all the contaminants out every 5K anyway. 5K is a good interval especially for those engines known to dilute or shear.
The difference in price between 2 x FL500s filters and 1 x Fram Ultra is about $2 here. Nobody said the ultras were $2.
Took 7 posts for Amsoil and HPL to be mentioned, must be record usually its less.
You can run the Endurance for multiple oil change intervals, but keep in mind depending on the vehicle which may have an oil cooler that holds oil, depending on the filter style that holds oil so you end up having a fair amount of old oil left over once you add it all up, not really a big deal but not something I personally would settle for.
What tcp71 is referring to which he can correct me if I am wrong is you can buy good oil filters for $2 made by Champ which are more than enough for 5k intervals.
You can run the Endurance for multiple oil change intervals, but keep in mind depending on the vehicle which may have an oil cooler that holds oil, depending on the filter style that holds oil so you end up having a fair amount of old oil left over once you add it all up, not really a big deal but not something I personally would settle for.
What tcp71 is referring to which he can correct me if I am wrong is you can buy good oil filters for $2 made by Champ which are more than enough for 5k intervals.
What about the manufacturers who specifically call out 10k OCIs by OLM & to use the filter for two consecutive oil changes? Even those with turbos?
Or that, obviously I was wrong on what you intended.
OP specifically asked about using a Fram Endurance and changing the oil filter every other time and the safety of that proposition. You came back with stuff about a $50k vehicle & $70 tanks of gas, and: “then try to penny pinch $2/oil change? So strange to me.”
It sure looks like you meant not changing the filter was saving only $2/oil change. Where the FL-500s and Fram Ultra you’re now talking about came from, nobody knew you were talking about those, because that wasn’t anything about what the OP had asked.
And why anybody would buy a Motorcraft filter these days with all the issues the board has seen lately is beyond me. I’ll leave the “new” Fram Ultra alone since we’ve already had a dozen threads on that as well.
Perhaps you think about your neighbor changing the oil and filter every 7,500 miles. This would be a net gain, adding a third more life to your oil and only reducing the utility of the oil filter by twenty-five percent. There is a question of whether the oil would hold up for this period, but there is the key advantage of having a time when there is clean oil and filter in the car just as God intended. I think that with a decent oil, this OCI would hold up. It is bad karma to mix a little old crappy oil into new oil.
Sure, it is less work. I go a step further and use my MityVac. No jack, no ramps, no jack stands, not even a lousy box-end Snappy wrench.
Sometimes I even buy cars that don't have an oil change...
I currently don't need a jack or ramps to replace oil on anything I own. If I did I would seriously consider going that way myself. Only downside is its one more tool in a garage that is already full.Sure, it is less work. I go a step further and use my MityVac. No jack, no ramps, no jack stands, not even a lousy box-end Snappy wrench.
Sometimes I even buy cars that don't have an oil change...
How many miles a filter takes to clog can vary a lot from one vehicle to the next. This is from a study that looked at oil filter clogging in small displacement car engines:
On average, these cars would clog a filter that has a 5 gram holding capacity in around 30,000 km, but 10% of the cars would clog the filter in under 10,000 km. Using a filter for multiple OCIs is a matter of risk. Sometimes they'll clog even within 1 OCI.
According to this study, around 65% of small car engines would clog a mid-sized FRAM Endurance filter before reaching the filter's 40,000 km rating.
This isn't exactly a knock on FRAM though. If you read their fine print, they recommend changing the oil and filter at the auto manufacturer's recommended interval. If the auto manufacturer recommends a 40k km OCI, they'll spec a filter with a high enough holding capacity to go that mileage, and the OEM filter or any aftermarket filter recommended for the vehicle should be up to the task.
A vehicle that recommends a 10k km OCI will specify a filter suitable for that OCI. Using a FRAM Ultra/Endurance for 4 OCIs and 40k km is not a good idea in this case, and is not recommended by FRAM, because it's more likely than not that the filter will clog.
On average, these cars would clog a filter that has a 5 gram holding capacity in around 30,000 km, but 10% of the cars would clog the filter in under 10,000 km. Using a filter for multiple OCIs is a matter of risk. Sometimes they'll clog even within 1 OCI.
According to this study, around 65% of small car engines would clog a mid-sized FRAM Endurance filter before reaching the filter's 40,000 km rating.
This isn't exactly a knock on FRAM though. If you read their fine print, they recommend changing the oil and filter at the auto manufacturer's recommended interval. If the auto manufacturer recommends a 40k km OCI, they'll spec a filter with a high enough holding capacity to go that mileage, and the OEM filter or any aftermarket filter recommended for the vehicle should be up to the task.
A vehicle that recommends a 10k km OCI will specify a filter suitable for that OCI. Using a FRAM Ultra/Endurance for 4 OCIs and 40k km is not a good idea in this case, and is not recommended by FRAM, because it's more likely than not that the filter will clog.
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My new oil is clearer than fresh water for over 1000 miles beyond the oil change, even when I left the old filter full of old oil - on for another OCI.
What is a typical 3% dilution of 10 ounces of oil, that's in my oil filter?
Well it's less than a quarter-ounce of dilution.
10 ounces of old oil from a typical 160 ounces (five quart jug) of new oil is really nothing to speak of.
It's irrelevant!
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Using a MityVac really sucks.Sure, it is less work. I go a step further and use my MityVac. No jack, no ramps, no jack stands, not even a lousy box-end Snappy wrench.
Sometimes I even buy cars that don't have an oil change...
Have you used yours for ATF yet? I’ve done it on cars with no drain plug or serviceable filter, thru the dipstick tube. Convenient!
I was educated by someone here that there is always about 1 quart or so of oil left even with a full filter change. There is a spec in your factory service manual for rebuild amount vs oil change amount.
So leaving the filter on only adds to that, but you already have a quart. Maybe another 1/2 quart between the filter and the galleries the ADBV holds in?
Don't get me wrong, 1 oil change, one oil filter is a good strategy. But if you go two I don't think in most cases it would change much.
So leaving the filter on only adds to that, but you already have a quart. Maybe another 1/2 quart between the filter and the galleries the ADBV holds in?
Don't get me wrong, 1 oil change, one oil filter is a good strategy. But if you go two I don't think in most cases it would change much.
