Redline did it too their oils used to be 1400 zinc and 1300 phos..now with the new label with sm on it dave said the zinc went down slightly to 1250ppm and phos.went down to 1150ppm moly stayed the same 950ppm
Dumbed down Redline Additive Package
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Nothing pro or con Redline here and regardless that Redline is still way out of bed on the P levels for SM (XW-30) - it just seems weird given Redline's customer base that they would use "SM" as a bragging right.
i agree pablo they include sg too so it leaves them open to inc levels but why sm? as i stated in another post redlines labels are questionable seems decieving..
Redline claims they are already at the breaking point with lowering ZDDP. In their market, it's more important due to higher hp engines and older flat tappet designed cams. If you notice, all the major pro-racing oils contain a lot of ZDDP. They should be a bit more honest about it though and admit it doesn't meet the SM service class.
I'm a bit of a loss, trying to figure out how "reformulated" automatically translates to "dumbed down".
If that were true, I guess all the oils on the market for the past 35 years have really gotten bad!!
If that were true, I guess all the oils on the market for the past 35 years have really gotten bad!!
I agree. Reformulation leads to improvement. Redline is simply improving its formulation based upon its research, etc.
lol you should see the AO levels in their racing oil!
When I spoke with Redline I learned that they are constantly looking at ways to improve the additive formulation.
Until then, I thought that this year's Redline was the same as Redline a few years ago.
It would be cool if they could formulate some true, certified, SM oil (IF they could afford the cost of certification), with the moly still high and some more boron added as well (if that would work synergistically in the add pack??). Are there API/ACEA/SAE, etc. upper levels set for moly & boron PPM content as there are for phos. & ZDDP???
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In the past 24 months or-so -- or since SM came out -- or the new diesel standards started showing up in oils, show me one passenger oil bottler that hasn't "dumbed-down' their add-packs???
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According to the product information sheets:
Maxlife SL
1080 ppm zinc
950 phos
2600 calcium
moly not listed
Maxlife SM
830 zinc
760 phos
2540 calcium
300 moly
This one does not look dumbed down to me. The moly should make up for the lower zinc and phos.
The real question is does it really matter? How many of us are buying these uber oils and throwing them in a 91 Civic or Lumina?
Maybe for an oil ripper like my car, but still.....I don't plan on any long drain intervals. The fantastic base oil composition of Redline should make up for any minute additive tinkering, should it have a deleterious effect.
Maybe for an oil ripper like my car, but still.....I don't plan on any long drain intervals. The fantastic base oil composition of Redline should make up for any minute additive tinkering, should it have a deleterious effect.
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The real question is does it really matter? How many of us are buying these uber oils and throwing them in a 91 Civic or Lumina?
Maybe for an oil ripper like my car, but still.....I don't plan on any long drain intervals. The fantastic base oil composition of Redline should make up for any minute additive tinkering, should it have a deleterious effect.
Thats my exact feeling. I have a 185K old daytona that sees alot of city and maybe 20% highway. It gets hot in summer and cold in winter but I don't see a real need for this superhero of the oil world. I have no doubts its probably one of the best oils available, its just if I am not going to fully utilize it, why buy it?
First Amsoil going to gp III at syn price .then M1 now Redline .Screw the dumb comsumer for extra profit . What a world we live in.
Wait! I don't think anyone said Redline went Group III.
heck no!!!! redline is and always will be a group 5 synthetic not to worry..i used a poor choice of words when i said "dumbed down" dave said it would never go any lower and it is a better product new and improved..
http://www.wipo.int/pctdb/en/wo.jsp?IA=EP2001009262&DISPLAY=DESC
The feature of the invention is that the use of a low sulphur fuel enables the amount of anti-wear agents containing phosphorus such as eg ZDDP to be halved without any adverse effect on the antiwear performance of the lubricating oil.
Is the fuel quality a major player in the general ZDDP reduction in oils including RL?
The feature of the invention is that the use of a low sulphur fuel enables the amount of anti-wear agents containing phosphorus such as eg ZDDP to be halved without any adverse effect on the antiwear performance of the lubricating oil.
Is the fuel quality a major player in the general ZDDP reduction in oils including RL?
IIRC There was an oil industry insider from Germany posting on NORIA's BB a few years ago that stated fuel quality is a major factor in being able to run extended OCIs.
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