Any clutch that’s depending on debris for proper engagement is well on the way out already.
Drain and refill fluid substitute for Toyota WS?
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True this.
At Allison we felt the drawback to flushing machines was potentially backflowing contamination into the control valves / solenoids.
Tell that to the well regarded Toyota mechanic on his YouTube channel (The Car Care Nut). He knows alot more on these topics bc he actually is a mechanic that works on cars, not an internet expert
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I’m not sure where that second quote attributed to me is leading. Wherever it goes and whomever is saying it needs to learn how to spell.
The expected typical caustic reply.. LOL. A simple mistake was made in quoting (sp?) So sorry LOL. But can you answer the fluid suspended clutch material question, not the english? You appear to have a bit of experience and know substantial "stuff"
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Happens a lot to transmissions that are shifting fine until a flush. Think 150k+ without any prior service
I did D+F on our Venza's U660E last month. The dealer charged $48 for three quarts of WS. I could've gotten a jug of MaxLife from WM for $28 and saved a whopping $20.
I opted to go for the real stuff, just like I did on the coolant, oil cooler lines, and some various retainer clips. I did use generic Prestone dot 3 fluid for the brake flush because I'm a cheapskate. Same with getting Denso air and cabin filters from rock auto. Over the anticipated life of that car, $200 extra on dealer coolant, trans fluid, and brake pads isn't going to kill me.
I wish I could've changed more than 2.7 qts, but without dropping the pan and popping the filter loose, that's all she would give. I felt a little cheated for all the mess I made, weighing it out, weighting it back in, using a pump, etc.
I actually got five quarts but the dealer let me return two when I was picking up the third jug of $34 coolant because my drain and fill managed to get 8.2 quarts out.
I opted to go for the real stuff, just like I did on the coolant, oil cooler lines, and some various retainer clips. I did use generic Prestone dot 3 fluid for the brake flush because I'm a cheapskate. Same with getting Denso air and cabin filters from rock auto. Over the anticipated life of that car, $200 extra on dealer coolant, trans fluid, and brake pads isn't going to kill me.
I wish I could've changed more than 2.7 qts, but without dropping the pan and popping the filter loose, that's all she would give. I felt a little cheated for all the mess I made, weighing it out, weighting it back in, using a pump, etc.
I actually got five quarts but the dealer let me return two when I was picking up the third jug of $34 coolant because my drain and fill managed to get 8.2 quarts out.
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I’ve e gone about 120k miles using valvoline maxlife atf in my gas sipper Toyota which specs Toyota WS. You can use Dexron VI as well.
There are those in the media (like YouTube) that promote this kind of misinformation. Just because someone has "been a technician for ## years" doesn't mean you know what you're saying. Ignorance is the default but talking confidently can help you feel better and is much easier for some, certainly it's quicker than learning. Unsubscribing or blocking is always an option.
Is there something like Snopes for technicians / engineers?
There is an edit link in your posts for a reason.
it is only accessible for a short while after posting a comment. Then no editing. Tried to correct but no deal.
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Personal experience…….but you will believe what you will.
True and I doubt you'll find an accomplished lubrication or power transmission engineer who would agree with his assertions.
Media Influencers will do all sorts of things to engage and manage their audience. An engineer has a professional responsibility and liability.
What fluid did he put in?
I think a lot of Honda V6 had bad transmission even if OEM fluid is used, but that's hard to prove if you use aftermarket and can't prove it is not the fluid's fault.
yeah those older v6 honda transmissions were trash. when i worked for honda/acura a long time ago. it was nothing but problems and replacements. at one point we stocked 3-5 at a time. hated those things
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A crap load of transmission mechanics would strongly disagree.
No kidding?
Where is this crap load you speak of? You do know that loads of it can be found in many places.
Yeah, I'd reco OP take his time and read some of these. I went down a similar rabbit hole awhile back, but just searched the board and found a plethora of information as shown above.
I've since done Maxlife spill 'n fills on two AB60Fs in two Tundras with no ill effects of which I have been informed. One guy immediately drove it from Colo to Mexico for 40 days, then back to Colo. I asked how the vehicle did and he just said "great."
My clif notes from too much research were:
1) Maxlife is fine, and clearly approved for use here by Valvoline
2) WS is sometimes argued to be an adequate fluid but actually nothing special, and semi-synthetic
3) there's a solid chance Dex VI is virtually the same based upon specs, but I won't risk that in a vehicle that isn't mine!!
4) many, many people have run Maxlife with no problems. The mention of potential shudder in this very thread was the first I'd heard, so maybe I should retract #4
NOTE this is what I took away from my research. I encourage @Elkins45 to do his own reading and draw his own conclusions. Two people can see the same data and come to different conclusions.
As for snopes.....nah. Sorry, but the hard hat really was backwards, so I've written them off.