Done With Glocks

[buck91]

WWB gives at least 1 malfunction per lag in my Glock but feeds fine in my shield.

Sig HPs jam continuously on my shield but HSTs are reliable.

what ammo are you using?

 

[spasm3]

And P90

My P90 is the only semi auto pistol Ive had that has never had a ftf or fte , it has never jammed on any ammo ever. Eats +p+ with ease.

 

[BISCUT]

Hi Gents.
I am guessing a lot of your Law Enforcement people are using Glocks. If 'limp wristing' was a Glock issue, has this shown up on the practice ranges with slightly built female officers? I never liked Glocks but then i was never allowed to carry them for personal defence.

I have shot a lot of Handguns. My favourite non custom was the CZ 75. Total reliability. I was determined that the Gov't would not get a nice example when they took it. Last few months i owned it it was never cleaned, shot until it was seriously hot and just generally abused. Never once failed me. Had i lived in a more enlightened society that is the one i would have carried.

On the subject of 10mm. I always wanted a Colt Delta Elite. Oh well, happy memories.

My experience has shown to be not female exclusive. IMHO it is more the grip angle and the lowered bore axis that takes some rounds down the pipe to adjust too. I've found female issues are more related to lack of wrist strength (fixed with tennis ball exercises). After 15 years plus as a LE instructor I can say I would take a horrible female shooter over a mediocre male shooter. Take a female who is struggling to shoot well and put her in front of an alpha audience and it's a S show. We are lucky and have a 5 position range in our building basement. One on one, no outside pressure females tend to be relaxed and listen. Confidence gets built quickly. Not all but many men who can't shoot in the LE world tend to be overly uptight and wanting to prove something. Hardest to help. Makes it harder to instruct. These are facets of life as so many "adults" who become cops don't have firearm experience prior to hire.

Support means a lot especially to females. Sounds sexist but it's factual and my experience. When we have to qualify with shotgun (Rem 870 and 11-87) slugs from 870 get my attention and I take up some space!!! If we are inside on the line I will put my open hand behind a smaller stature female shooter mount shoulder. What does that really do? I help brace a tad but it's really the mental support that helps.

10mm...LOVE IT. Glock 20 and Springfield TRP have been very good to me. I like the Glock 29 but at that size it truly is a 2x4 and a handful with legit 10mm loads. And heavy for hiking and such. 15 rounds in a Glock 43x with Buffalo Bore hard cast is hard to beat in that package or my standard S&W M&P Buffalo Bore hard cast 357. Light and powerful even if only 5 rounds.

 

[Tikka]

Hi Biscut.
Thank you for explaining how you work, i appreciate it.

My theory was that if 'limp wristing' was an inherent Glock issue it would show in law enforcement training. Females do not have the hand and wrist strength of a male, also females are generally not 'in to' guns and shooting, so are less likely to have learned the correct technique to over come this.
Interesting that you say that females take on board instruction better though.

I first got into the whole 10mm thing back in the 80s. I am a huge Jeff Cooper fan so read a lot about the whole Bren Ten and 10mm auto thing. The CZ 75 was as close as i could afford to a Bren Ten .

 

[Al]

Traded my 3 Glocks in and got $1005 for them. $525 for the P365. They will notify me when the P365 comes in. If I don't get it within 2 weeks I will borrow my son't Shield for some Training. I already paid for. I am chomping at the bit!!!

 

[Astro14]

Al, that’s a good price for the P365. They’re commanding a premium these days. You’re going to like it when it comes in. A very impressive package.

 

[BlueOvalFitter]

Some nights I can’t see the moon.

I was 9 before I was 10.

 

[Al]

Thanks Astro this gun shop treats me and everyone fairly. They gave me about 2/3's the original cost of my guns. And gave me 330 or my 42.
The prices of their firearms did not go up a whole lot. Its LancoTactical.

I also think the Springfield Helcat looks like a winner. If I could get the Hellcat sooner I would jump at it.

 

[Astro14]

Thanks Astro this gun shop treats me and everyone fairly. They gave me about 2/3's the original cost of my guns. And gave me 330 or my 42.
The prices of their firearms did not go up a whole lot. Its LancoTactical.

I also think the Springfield Helcat looks like a winner. If I could get the Hellcat sooner I would jump at it.

I’ve seen great reviews on the Springfield Helcat but have no first hand experience.

I’ve shot several P365 and remain impressed.

I look forward to hearing your impressions.

 

[Al]

Got my 365 today. I actually tried the Springfield Hellcat and the Taurus 3Gc. If my 365 would not have come in today I would have bought the Tarus at $400.

My 365 came in tan. The trigger is the best I have ever experienced. Better than my G43 with the Ghost trigger bay. The Tarus and Hellcat may be equally good. Sights on the Hellcat are better than Tarus. Anyone interested should check out the Tarus.

I only put 20 rounds through it today. No problems. Love the sights. Son and I will but 3 or 4 hundred through it tomorrow. Need to buy a mag reloader. It comes with 3 mags and a mag carrier.

 

[Astro14]

Great news! Yes, I remember liking the trigger, too...

 

[Revving2Redline]

Done with them but they still got my 500.00 lifetime GSSF membership dues so I can get Blue Label prices and CMP eligible rifles like M1 Garand or 30. Carbine

 

[Astro14]

Done with them but they still got my 500.00 lifetime GSSF membership dues so I can get Blue Label prices and CMP eligible rifles like M1 Garand or 30. Carbine

The CMP sold out of carbines a long time ago. You may find the occasional one on their auction site.

 

[bunnspecial]

One thing I will say vs wheel guns on the first shot a wheel gun may not be as reliable as a semi. bcof the mechanism on the cylinder. Had a dan wesson fail that way.

Not sure I understand what's even being said here.

I primarily carry and shoot revolvers, and can claim in the tens of thousands of rounds out of K frame S&Ws alone, plus my fair share out of larger and smaller S&Ws, Colts, Rugers, and even a Dan Wesson I owned for a while.

I can think of one instance where I had a badly abused S&W 19-3 walk the ejector rod out the first time I shot it, but since fixing(new ejector+rod since the old one was stripped) it's not had a single issue.

I had a model 14 that had been worked over with a Wolf spring kit, and had a scary light trigger pull. It wouldn't reliably fire anything but Federal primers since it struck so lightly, but a factory mainspring fixed that(plus a heavier Wolf rebound spring to bring the trigger pull more in line with my taste, but still lighter than factory).

I will grant that when a revolver jams, it can REALLY jam to the point of usually needing a repair. Few folks have ever even experienced that, though, and on a good quality gun it's only likely if the gun has been abused or been ham-handed. I think my 19-3 was messed up because the rod is reverse-threaded into the ejector, and someone who took it apart likely didn't know that. Removing the ejector rod shouldn't really even be a regular thing, though-I will usually only do it if there's some good reason to make me think it's needed.

 

[Al]

My 1972 Model 15 Dan Wesson .357 locked up after a couple thousand rounds.

 

[alarmguy]

History: Own three..42, 43, 26

First one I bought was my 42. Initially maybe 30 stovepipes after that 5000 rounds..no failures. Then and now one stovepipe out of 200 failures. Installed a new spring. No improvement.

Next my G43. Almost no failures out of 5000+ rounds. Then stovepipes and failure to eject. Replaced spring. No improvements.

G26. Stovepipes from the beginning.

All have had different ammo. Instructors have tried all three.

Conclusion: Statistically this is not enough sample size to confirm that Glocks have a general problem. I think its just a fluke that I have had problems.

My plan: Send all of them back to the factory. And then sell them to my local dealer. With all three I can buy the Sig Sauer P365. Obviously that can't happen now as they are not available for sale.

It would be so cool if you tried, for fun, an inexpensive Taurus and see if you have any problems.

 

[NO2]

The P365XL model with a manual safety is hard to find. I bought the regular model and the conversion kit (it took 2 mo to get the parts). The 15 round mags are hard to find too.

 

[Al]

The P365XL model with a manual safety is hard to find. I bought the regular model and the conversion kit (it took 2 mo to get the parts). The 15 round mags are hard to find too.

What did you do? Add a safety. If so why?

 

[SubieRubyRoo]

My P90 is the only semi auto pistol Ive had that has never had a ftf or fte , it has never jammed on any ammo ever. Eats +p+ with ease.

My HK USP Compact 45 is the same way as your P90. I've also got a P365 and never had an issue, but i've only put a couple hundred rounds thru that one.

 

[Chevyc10]

I have 7 Glocks in various calibers. For range use I buy cheapest ammo, Russian steel case, aluminum case, numerous brands. I don’t have stove pipes or feeding issues using that ammo. Or none when using quality defense rounds.
Doubt there is a problem with all your guns. Perhaps it is your shooting grip, stance or position. Have some other shooters fire your weapon. See if they have issues too.