Done did it....bought a Scooby......

[BHopkins]

Originally Posted By: FutureDoc
Welcome to the club. 200K+ on my OB

Now, I am not all that familiar with new OBs. One thing to keep in mind is that the old OB 2.5 and the new 2.5 is very different.

Look at you owners manual for oil recommendation. My old OB recommends 5w30 but 10w40 is an acceptable grade (actually for my area, it might be the better choice). You may be able to use a thicker oil but I do not know for certain.



The The Owners Manual for the latest 2.5, that was first available in the '13 Outback, specifically calls out use of 0W-20, and cautions about using much of anything else. The manual states that if needed, there are a couple of options for other oils, but the manual says they should only be used until the next OCI, at which time 0W-20 needs to go back in.

 

[BHopkins]

Originally Posted By: FutureDoc
Welcome to the club. 200K+ on my OB

Now, I am not all that familiar with new OBs. One thing to keep in mind is that the old OB 2.5 and the new 2.5 is very different.

Look at you owners manual for oil recommendation. My old OB recommends 5w30 but 10w40 is an acceptable grade (actually for my area, it might be the better choice). You may be able to use a thicker oil but I do not know for certain.



That would be contrary to what a forum member at subaruoutback.org claims he was told by Subaru, when he made a technical inquiry on their website. He quoted a reply where Subaru reported that no special break in oil was used, that factory fill is standard full synthetic Subaru 0W-20. Wish I could find it to share, but it was several months ago, and I'm not the best at finding old threads.

 

[Bandito440]

I'm in a similar situation. I went from a Tacoma to a Forester. It wasn't quite as dramatic, but I do miss having a truck.

I changed the oil at 1k, 4k, and 7,500. I just did my 15,000 service, and plan to keep up with 7,500 fills using 0w-20. It's currently Pennzoil Platinum that I'll UOA at 22,500 to see how things are doing.

 

[Garak]

Originally Posted By: CourierDriver
If that Subaru cost 25,0000 bucks, how do u justify that?

Emphasis mine. $250 grand is a steep price.

 

[Pablo]

Just as a point of reference:

On Dec 21, 2013 I picked up my 2014 WRX Limited Hatch. Today I hit 1500 miles and today I have a my oil change appointment at the dealer. Obviously my turbo engine is different but I broke the engine in with varying RPM's, keeping the loads low, but not afraid to rev it to 4K under 1000 miles. Now I have been opening it up (just testing the turbo) and it's time to change the oil.

I will go 2-3K on this OCI then change to Amsoil OE 5w30 for a change or two, then start thinking about HDD 5w30 or EFM 5W-40.

Indeed, Subaru coolant change every year or two, max.

 

[Tegger]

Originally Posted By: Rand
The correct answer is subaru totally redesigned the engine.. and designed it for MPG.. with a variety of changes to make it more efficient.. one of those was specing 0w20 oil.

And they had to design the engine so as not to be damaged by the new oil, something that's never happened in the history of automotive engineering.

 

[bluesubie]

Originally Posted By: BHopkins
Originally Posted By: FutureDoc
Welcome to the club. 200K+ on my OB

Now, I am not all that familiar with new OBs. One thing to keep in mind is that the old OB 2.5 and the new 2.5 is very different.

Look at you owners manual for oil recommendation. My old OB recommends 5w30 but 10w40 is an acceptable grade (actually for my area, it might be the better choice). You may be able to use a thicker oil but I do not know for certain.



That would be contrary to what a forum member at subaruoutback.org claims he was told by Subaru, when he made a technical inquiry on their website. He quoted a reply where Subaru reported that no special break in oil was used, that factory fill is standard full synthetic Subaru 0W-20. Wish I could find it to share, but it was several months ago, and I'm not the best at finding old threads.

I'm not sure I would believe SoA. Especially, if the Customer Dealer Services Rep asked the same Technical Dept. that allows 5W-40 conventional for replenishment and no such oil exists. They also stated in the 2012 Outback manual (EJ engine) that you should stick with synthetic if you switched to it (this is not 1989

).

Here's a uoa on the FF:
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2251431

And here's a response from Idemitsu replying to a question about moly in the Toyota and Subaru factory fill vs the dealer service fill (not really a "direct" answer I suppose). Note this is prior to Idemitsu coming out with the High Moly GF5 Mazda oil. At the time, the API SM dealer Subaru Idemitsu oil had very high levels of moly and Idemitsu dropped it when the oil went SN/GF5.

Quote:


You ask some very good questions which I will answer in “generalities”. First, just so you know where the information is coming from, Idemitsu supplies most of the OEM’s for both Factory fill and service fill. In the case of Toyota, we do not supply their service fill oil so I cannot comment on that particular formulation.

OEMs specify Moly in their factory fill formulations to increase fuel economy during the initial period. In general a factory fill formula will be more robust in the additive treatments etc. This is done for a variety of reasons which I will not go into here.

Some of the service fill formulations also contained molybdenum however, with the transition to the ILSAC GF-5 specification, most 0W-20 service fill 0W-20 formulations now do not have Moly. That being said, you are always safest following the OEMs recommendations. All service fill OE formulas that we supply have been submitted to a full battery of tests at that respective OEM’s R&D facilities in Japan and have been approved.



The 5w30 FF uoa's usually show even more moly and ZDDP. Is all of the moly and ZDDP from assembly lube? I do know that prior to using Idemitsu, the plant in Indiana used 5w30 mineral oil based on postings that I read from someone at the plant.

-Dennis

 

[Rob_Roy]

Congrats on the new ride. I am actually heading out in a few minutes to go pick up our 2014 Outback Limited. I plan to leave the FF in for around 5000 miles, and will probably continue with 0w-20 for the recommended 7500 mile OCI. I can't see why 5w-20 and 5w30 wouldn't also be fine, but I don't want an argument during a warranty claim.

 

[A_Harman]

Originally Posted By: Rand
offset? rods

Is the big end of the angle-split connecting rod offset from the beam as much as it looks in the picture, or is it an optical illusion?

 

[bluesubie]

Originally Posted By: A_Harman
Originally Posted By: Rand
offset? rods

Is the big end of the angle-split connecting rod offset from the beam as much as it looks in the picture, or is it an optical illusion?

Quote:
Even though the stroke is slightly longer, the FB’s exterior dimensions are basically unchanged from the EJ’s. Subaru achieved this by employing asymmetrical connecting rods like those it used to increase the stroke of the flat-six in the Tribeca without drastically changing the engine. The lamb-chop-shaped rods also ease assembly of the bottom end.

More pics here:
http://www.caranddriver.com/news/subaru-fb-series-engine-subaru-flat-four-engines

-Dennis

 

[kmcavin]

Congrats on the new ride. We picked our 2014 Outback up last June.

I went the full 7500 miles (right at 7.5 months) on the FF. The UOA came back with numbers as one would expect on a new engine. FF's TBN was still at 2.3

As far as oil usage goes, I didn't see much usage. At most it was down less than 1/4th of an inch on the dipstick after 7500 so I'd consider that pretty good.

I can understand the 5000 OCI with towing and your region. I replaced the FF with 0W20 QSUD, but I only went with that as I was able to find it on sale.

 

[Volv04Life]

Word.

 

[kkreit01]

Good deal. Post up some pics. You were getting 14 mpg in your Ram? I'm guessing that's mostly highway miles? I don't average that in my daily commute in my 1500.

 

[buster]

Quote:
You ask some very good questions which I will answer in “generalities”. First, just so you know where the information is coming from, Idemitsu supplies most of the OEM’s for both Factory fill and service fill. In the case of Toyota, we do not supply their service fill oil so I cannot comment on that particular formulation.

OEMs specify Moly in their factory fill formulations to increase fuel economy during the initial period. In general a factory fill formula will be more robust in the additive treatments etc. This is done for a variety of reasons which I will not go into here.

Some of the service fill formulations also contained molybdenum however, with the transition to the ILSAC GF-5 specification, most 0W-20 service fill 0W-20 formulations now do not have Moly. That being said, you are always safest following the OEMs recommendations. All service fill OE formulas that we supply have been submitted to a full battery of tests at that respective OEM’s R&D facilities in Japan and have been approved.


Very interesting.