Dodge Hellcat Oil - Valvoline, Castrol or Mobil 1 ??

[fins]

Need oil for my 2017 Hellcat
Chrysler recommends MS 12633 PUP 0w-40

What I can find locally
Mobil 1 Euro 5w-40 (does not meet MS12633)
Castrol Edge Euro 5w-40
Valvoline Euro 5w-40

The Castrol is made from base III stock.

Does anyone know what the Valvoline base is ?

 

[Glenda W.]

All the oils you listed are majority group 3 and will perform similarly if the approvals are the same.

If you want majority group 4/5 you’ll have to look elsewhere. And spend a bit more $.

 

[pbm]

Many on this board consider Mobil1 0w40 to be the best non boutique synthetic available.
IDK if it meets the spec. you need but I'd probably use it if I had a Hellcat.

 

[JavierH19]

The Valvoline oil is the same as the rest and that's ok as it has to meet certifications on performance of which is mb 229.51, Porsche a40, and bmw ll-01 which quaker state 5w-40 also does and it's what I use in my 6.2 gm. Doesn't really matter if it doesn't meet whatever that ms spec is, those 3 are great. Pup 0w-40 isn't spectacular pao oil or anything.

 

[The Lube Guy]

In this particular order:

1. @High Performance Lubricants Super Car 0W-40
   • PAO + AN + POE + Other Secret Esters + Infineum Additive Package + Additional Top Treatment with MoDTC and Ca + Mg based detergents
2. Mobil 1 0W-40
   • PAO + GTL + AN + Infineum Additive Package
3. Quaker State Euro 5W-40
   • GTL + Group I Additive Package Carrier + Infineum Additive Package
4. Pennzoil Platinum Euro 0W-40
   • GTL + Group I Additive Package Carrier + Infineum Additive Package

Castrol's 5W-40 base oil is Group III + HVHI, and Castrol 0W-40 is Group III + HVHI + PAO. Valvoline Euro 5W-40 is Group III + HVHI, and Valvoline 0W-40 is Group III + HVHI + PAO. It's nearly impossible to blend a 0W-40 without PAO.

Ultimately, all these will perform similarly. However, with HPL, you'll be able to go longer on the same fill while keeping your engine spotless. Mobil 1 would be my next choice since they are a leader in formulating and blending some of the best lubricants.

It's just a recommendation based on my personal preferences. I have used all the oils I listed except for Pennzoil Platinum Euro 0W-40, and Valvoline 0W-40 & 5W-40.

 

[Triple_Se7en]

At Walmart is Mobil-1 Euro 0w40 (SP)

 

[OVERKILL]

I'd short-list what @Invisible noted:
1. @High Performance Lubricants Super Car 0W-40
2. Mobil 1 Euro 0W-40 if the above isn't in the budget

 

[The Lube Guy]

I'd short-list what @Invisible noted:
1. @High Performance Lubricants Super Car 0W-40
2. Mobil 1 Euro 0W-40 if the above isn't in the budget

You are correct Sir. I was just trying to be inclusive and promote diversity.

 

[Four Rings]

I’m aligned with Invisible and Overkill.

You might also consider the Auto Zone special combo of 5-quarts of Mobil 1 ESPx3 0W-40 and an Oil Filter. You may double up, and the corvette crowd retuns the filter so they can just get the oil at ~45% off.

Lastly, Amsoil Signature Series 0W-40 or Amsoil Euro 0W-40 are worthy of consideration, especially if you’re signed up as a preferred customer.

 

[GMBoy]

I agree with the recommendation by Invisible. My question is what have you been using?

 

[jkasch]

FYI. MS 12633 is now called MS A0921 for whatever reason on the PUP SRT 0W-40 bottles.

Any CDJR dealer likely carries it if you decide to go that route. I still buy it from the dealer for their receipts as I still have about 10 months left on my Hellcat’s extended powertrain warranty. After that, I’ll likely switch to one of the ones mentioned above.

 

[4WD]

5.3L Hellcat

 

[facility1]

Schaeffer's 9000 ,0w-40 has the MS 12633 approvals, think outside of the box, its a great oil for your vehicle, though 0w-40 Pennzoil Ultra is also the factory recommended oil and would likely the oil I would use over the usual ones you mentioned, . depends on how hard you drive it, good filtration is to be considered too.

 

[factorytuned2012]

https://www.mobil.com/en/lubricants.../our-products/products/mobil-1-supercar-0w-40

 

[Snagglefoot]

The Dodge Hellcat has been in production since 2015. At the time Dodge specified Pennzoil Ultra Platinum 0w40. So, how did it turn out. Were the engines ‘sploding? A quick look at the Hellcat forum indicates very few people complained about the engine. Although I can’t prove it I’ll bet most people ran PUP 0W40 until at least the warranty ran out.

 

[OVERKILL]

Schaeffer's 9000 ,0w-40 has the MS 12633 approvals,

It's recommended for the application, just like AMSOIL SS 0W-40, neither are approved by FCA/Stellantis.

think outside of the box, its a great oil for your vehicle, though 0w-40 Pennzoil Ultra is also the factory recommended oil and would likely the oil I would use over the usual ones you mentioned, . depends on how hard you drive it, good filtration is to be considered too.

The original SRT oil was M1 0W-40 Euro. When Fiat merged with Chrysler, they brought their Pennzoil contract with them and immediately terminated the agreement with Mobil, who had the factory and service fill contracts for Chrysler.

The Pennzoil "SRT" 0W-40 was cooked up in short order to replace it and is generally rather unremarkable, basically being a vanilla API SN RC additive package blended as a 0W-40 with considerably higher Noack than the Euro oil it replaced.

Now, the SRT engines have roller lifters, unlike many of the applications where the A3/B4, A40, LL-01...etc oils like M1 0W-40 are spec'd, which have sliding followers, like the S62 in my former M5. This may be why they went with a lower (RC-level) phosphorous additive package, which is what is spec'd for its more pedestrian 5.7L sibling. That said, that doesn't mean that areas like piston skirts, rocker tips, rings, pushrod cups, lifter bodies, timing chain...etc may not benefit from the higher levels of AW additives found in the Euro options.

 

[ka9mnx]

I used SuperTech 10w-40 blend and Pennzoil Euro 5w-40 for 5k miles in the wife's 4Runner and had both analyzed. SuperTech edged out the Pennzoil ever so slightly, Yea, surprised me too!

 

[Gene K]

It's recommended for the application, just like AMSOIL SS 0W-40, neither are approved by FCA/Stellantis.

The original SRT oil was M1 0W-40 Euro. When Fiat merged with Chrysler, they brought their Pennzoil contract with them and immediately terminated the agreement with Mobil, who had the factory and service fill contracts for Chrysler.

The Pennzoil "SRT" 0W-40 was cooked up in short order to replace it and is generally rather unremarkable, basically being a vanilla API SN RC additive package blended as a 0W-40 with considerably higher Noack than the Euro oil it replaced.

Now, the SRT engines have roller lifters, unlike many of the applications where the A3/B4, A40, LL-01...etc oils like M1 0W-40 are spec'd, which have sliding followers, like the S62 in my former M5. This may be why they went with a lower (RC-level) phosphorous additive package, which is what is spec'd for its more pedestrian 5.7L sibling. That said, that doesn't mean that areas like piston skirts, rocker tips, rings, pushrod cups, lifter bodies, timing chain...etc may not benefit from the higher levels of AW additives found in the Euro options.

2010 Viper was M1.
2011 Viper was Pennz.

The change to SOPUS was made as Mopar was switching from SM to SN formulations as I understand it.

 

[OVERKILL]

2010 Viper was M1.
2011 Viper was Pennz.

The change to SOPUS was made as Mopar was switching from SM to SN formulations as I understand it.

This was December 12th, 2010 at my dealer, based on the date on the photo:

2011, M1 0W-40 was SN:

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Thread 'Mobil 1 0W40 SN VOA'

Sep 3, 2011

• BobFout
• Replies: 75
• Forum: Virgin Oil Analysis - PCMO/HDEO

Here's the thread about my dealer changing over, 2 years later in 2013:

Thread 'It finally happened......'

Dec 9, 2013

My Chrysler dealer switched from Mobil to SOPUS

They've got two boxes of M1 0w-40 + 5L loose that are sitting by the counter for me

They are now carrying the SRT 0w-40 and PU 5w-40 (the latter packaging still stating SM for those curious)

This means if I want it, I'll have to get it from CT now, unless they can special order it and still honour the price I was getting before, which I'm doubtful about.

• OVERKILL
• Replies: 31
• Forum: European and Import Motor Oils

The service manager at the time wasn't thrilled about the mandated changeover.

I'm not sure if it was a hard date, as to when they changed over? But I know my dealer had to make the change at the end of 2013 there, prior to that, they were a full Mobil shop, with M1 0W-40 as the service fill for all SRT vehicles.

 

[ProbeGT]

According to recent UOAs, Valvoline xW40 has the lowest ZDDP content. I wouldn't use it. Mobil or Castrol if it were my car.