"Discount" AR's

[Mystic]

Nothing wrong with having two or more, but one would be okay. And in addition to the AR-15 a person could have maybe a 30-06 rifle or an M-1 rifle, or a .270. I saw a very good quality 30-06 Springfield rifle recently.

And I would have some extra magazines for the AR-15.

 

[CT8]

Psa premium parts and uppers are great value builds. Bravo Company makes some of the best quality ARs on the market.Colt and Daniel Defense are in the same class of quality.

 

[CT8]

Originally Posted By: GemStater
For example, below is an example of a quality PSA rifle build. This is with an FN Cold Hammer Forged premium barrel and FN sourced premium M16 profile Bolt Carrier Group. The upper and lower receivers are blemished. You can spend a little extra if you don't want blemished receivers. I'd imagine this rifle build would meet or exceed the quality and performance level of a store bought rifle of $1500 or more. I have a build with many of the same parts and can attest to the accuracy and dependability.

List:

PSA Blemished Safe/Fire Lower Receiver - $49.99

Palmetto State Armory Classic Lower Build Kit - $79.99

PSA Aluminum Flip Up Rear Sight - $59.99

PSA CHF 16'' 5.56mm 1:7 Mid-length A2 Profile - Blemished, w/ BCG & Charging Handle - $429.99

Rifle Shipping/Handling - $34.50

FFL transfer fee ($25) and tools ($65) - $90 approx.

Grand Total - $745

Waiting for sale prices I would upgrade to the premium
lower build kit the receiver extension tube is 7075 aluminum instead of 6061. 7075 is milspec and has almost twice the strength.
The PSA premium m4 style 16" CMV steel hard chromed barrel and chamber Works great $269.
The premium bolt carrier group Mil spec .158 carpener steel hpt tested magafluxed for cracks then shot peened,just like required on the m4 and m16 to stand up to full auto use and will take a licking and keep on ticking.
The $200.00ish dollars saved by the different lowers cost makes this rifle far superior to the S@W sport and probably any S@W because the PSA build uses the same quality steel as used in the m4/m16 military rifles and the S@W [and any other non milspec AR] uses bolt action quality steel. look it up. All my firearms quickly look blemished.

 

[CT8]

Originally Posted By: Robenstein
Originally Posted By: Mystic
I think I would stick to just one quality AR-15 and have extra magazines.


Sometimes you need a second. I have two now. My old Sp1 Colt and a DPMS 24 inch stainless barreled "varmint" gun for longer range target and hunting duty.
I doubt too many people have only one AR.

 

[GemStater]

Originally Posted By: CT8
Waiting for sale prices I would upgrade to the premium
lower build kit the receiver extension tube is 7075 aluminum instead of 6061. 7075 is milspec and has almost twice the strength.
The PSA premium m4 style 16" CMV steel hard chromed barrel and chamber Works great $269.
The premium bolt carrier group Mil spec .158 carpener steel hpt tested magafluxed for cracks then shot peened,just like required on the m4 and m16 to stand up to full auto use and will take a licking and keep on ticking.


You're right CT8, you stated a great option too, example:

- PSA Blemished Bullet-Pictogram Lower Receiver - $59.99

- PSA Aluminum Flip Up Rear Sight - $59.99

- Palmetto State Armory Premium Classic Lower Build Kit - $119.99

- PSA 5.56 Premium HPT/MPI Full Auto Bolt Carrier Group with Charging Handle - $99.99

- PSA 16" M4 Premium - Without BCG or Charging Handle - $269.99

**FREE shipping this weekend on orders over One Hundred**

- FFL transfer fee - $25.00

- Build tools $65.00 aprox.

Grand Total - $699.95

That's a premium barrel, a premium BCG, a premium Mil-Spec build overall.

With the money saved over buying a shelf AR, get yourself some magazines and ammo. Plus you now own tools for the next build

 

[Astro14]

Originally Posted By: Mystic
I think I would stick to just one quality AR-15 and have extra magazines.


That's like having one good quality car and extra tires...I vote for a couple of ARs tailored for different purposes...

 

[CT8]

Originally Posted By: Astro14
Originally Posted By: Mystic
I think I would stick to just one quality AR-15 and have extra magazines.


That's like having one good quality car and extra tires...I vote for a couple of ARs tailored for different purposes...
+1 or just a couple !!!

 

[CT8]

Originally Posted By: LT4 Vette
Are Daniel Defense any good?
Very good.

 

[CT8]

Originally Posted By: GemStater
Originally Posted By: CT8
Waiting for sale prices I would upgrade to the premium
lower build kit the receiver extension tube is 7075 aluminum instead of 6061. 7075 is milspec and has almost twice the strength.
The PSA premium m4 style 16" CMV steel hard chromed barrel and chamber Works great $269.
The premium bolt carrier group Mil spec .158 carpener steel hpt tested magafluxed for cracks then shot peened,just like required on the m4 and m16 to stand up to full auto use and will take a licking and keep on ticking.


You're right CT8, you stated a great option too, example:

- PSA Blemished Bullet-Pictogram Lower Receiver - $59.99

- PSA Aluminum Flip Up Rear Sight - $59.99

- Palmetto State Armory Premium Classic Lower Build Kit - $119.99

- PSA 5.56 Premium HPT/MPI Full Auto Bolt Carrier Group with Charging Handle - $99.99

- PSA 16" M4 Premium - Without BCG or Charging Handle - $269.99

**FREE shipping this weekend on orders over One Hundred**

- FFL transfer fee - $25.00

- Build tools $65.00 aprox.

Grand Total - $699.95

That's a premium barrel, a premium BCG, a premium Mil-Spec build overall.

With the money saved over buying a shelf AR, get yourself some magazines and ammo. Plus you now own tools for the next build
I wanted to make the price equal to a way lesser quality S@W Ar type. There will be a next build.

 

[spasm3]

Originally Posted By: Astro14
Originally Posted By: Mystic
I think I would stick to just one quality AR-15 and have extra magazines.


That's like having one good quality car and extra tires...I vote for a couple of ARs tailored for different purposes...


I have an AR chambered in 7.62x 39. going with red dot( not sure yet which one) for close quarters.

I'd like an AR for distance shooting, my range has a 200 yard target board.
Would 5.56 be good or a .308?

 

[Robenstein]

200 yards is fine for a 223/5.56. The longer the barrel the better it will be as you will squeeze more velocity out of the round. It was designed around the premise of a 20 inch barrel. My 24in bull barrel upper is a tack driver. 308 shines past 300 yards and in windy conditions because it has a heavier bullet and more kinetic energy.

 

[Oro_O]

Originally Posted By: CT8
I wanted to make the price equal to a way lesser quality S@W Ar type. There will be a next build.


If you are thinking a PSA "premium" is superior to an S&W, even the baser models, you've not delved deeply into both models. I've had four S&Ws and Three PSA (all "premium"). function is equal but fit and finish on the S&W, even the "sport," is superior. I like PSA quite a lot, but they don't hold some mystical edge over all other manufacturers. There's a fan-boy buzz about them that doesn't quite hold up to all real-world comparisons.

Spasms3 - I again agree wholeheartedly with Robenstein, out to 200 5.56 is just fine. Flat, too. You can zero there and shoot 50 to 200 with no real hold over/under. so easy and fun.

 

[Astro14]

For 200 yards, 5.56 is just fine. The round is good to that range, accuracy will depend on your rifle, but most of them are pretty good. The Daniel Defense and the CORE-15 have a reputation for better than MOA out of the box. A decent scope would be a good addition for that range.

Now, you can shoot 5.56 out to much longer ranges, but it depends what you want the rifle to do... if it's banging steel, then I wouldn't worry much about it...if you're hunting, that's a different story. The DPMS LR-308 (I have one) is a very accurate, and the .308 is a very versatile round...but it costs almost twice as much as 5.56 for plinking rounds. Match rounds in either caliber are pricey if you're looking for real precision shooting.

 

[whip]

An AR platform with a .223 and a .450 bushmaster uppers is on my list of wants. Do any of you have different uppers that you swap with one lower?

 

[CT8]

Originally Posted By: Or
Originally Posted By: CT8
I wanted to make the price equal to a way lesser quality S@W Ar type. There will be a next build.


If you are thinking a PSA "premium" is superior to an S&W, even the baser models, you've not delved deeply into both models. I've had four S&Ws and Three PSA (all "premium"). function is equal but fit and finish on the S&W, even the "sport," is superior. I like PSA quite a lot, but they don't hold some mystical edge over all other manufacturers. There's a fan-boy buzz about them that doesn't quite hold up to all real-world comparisons.

Spasms3 - I again agree wholeheartedly with Robenstein, out to 200 5.56 is just fine. Flat, too. You can zero there and shoot 50 to 200 with no real hold over/under. so easy and fun.

I go by what the quality of the materials used in the bolts,Receiver extension and barrels and the treating procedures used. . There are only a hand full of forging companies that forge the uppers and lowers. That is what makes a quality AR. I have been messin' with ARs since my first one in the early 1970s. I know exactly what makes a nice AR.

 

[Win]

Originally Posted By: CT8
Originally Posted By: Robenstein
Originally Posted By: Mystic
I think I would stick to just one quality AR-15 and have extra magazines.


Sometimes you need a second. I have two now. My old Sp1 Colt and a DPMS 24 inch stainless barreled "varmint" gun for longer range target and hunting duty.

I doubt too many people have only one AR.


I don't have any AR's

 

[Mystic]

I don't own an AR-15 either Win. Pretty incredible statement to make-that only a few people have only one AR-15. I am sure MOST people do not own an AR-15. If I were to buy a rifle I would probably get a .270.

I have my S&W M&P 9mm and my Glock 40 caliber for self defense. Hopefully things do not get so bad that a person has to own AR-15s for self defense. I have shot a few AR-15s. I have shot all kinds of handguns and shotguns and a few rifles. But I never owned an AR-15 and I never owned a 1911 .45 or a .357.

I thought about becoming a reloader and I know some guys who are reloaders. But now that I am getting older I will probably forget about becoming a reloader. If I did reload, I would not try to reload aluminum cases (or Russian steel cases).

 

[Robenstein]

Honestly the AR is preferable for some to a handgun for self defense. If you select your ammo right, a 223 will go through less walls than a 9mm or 000 buckshot. Also shooting a pistol takes more practice to do well than a long gun...and especially in the dark when you get jolted awake in the middle of the night and adrenaline is rushing.

When I was looking for a self defense gun for my wife...and saw how lousy she was with every pistol she shot that was not a 22lr...we got her a CAR 15. And she could use that much better.

 

[GemStater]

Originally Posted By: CT8
I go by what the quality of the materials used in the bolts,Receiver extension and barrels and the treating procedures used. . There are only a hand full of forging companies that forge the uppers and lowers. That is what makes a quality AR.


Exactly.

For example, Palmetto State Armory sells "Fire/Safe" and "Pictogram" lower receiver that have a serial number prefix of "LW" which notates the manufacter. In this case the manufactuerer is L.W. Schneider Incorporated.

Here is a quote from L.W. Schneider's website - LINK:


Quote:
"We might be a well-kept secret to some, but virtually every tactical rifle manufacturer in the country uses parts manufactured by L.W. Schneider. We have partnered with several of these high profile, global companies...as well as with the militaries of the United States, Canada, Israel and others...to provide flawlessly engineered and precision manufactured gun parts." - LW Schneider Inc.



Now, L.W. Schneider obviously has nondisclosure agreements with these "high profile, global companies", but it could very well be assumed that Colt, S&W, BCM, DPMS and others may be contracting with L.W. Schneider for many of the parts they use to manufacture their rifles.

I'm a firm believer that in today's market, if one does their research, they can put together a quality Made in the U.S.A. rifle with parts that have quality Mil-Spec materials, heat treatments, and quality control standards set in place. At that point, in a like-per-like rifle, the only difference between what brand name is stamped or laser etched on it is the impact it has on your pocket book.

 

[CT8]

Well here we go some of the list of forges