Did Fram switch back to nitrile adbvs?

[ZeeOSix]

Ill call this place on Monday/Tuesday and see if I can talk to their test manager and get info on how reliable the "burn test" is.

It's pretty evident from the info already posted that there is a very distinct way that nitrile burns vs silicon. Anyone with a match can prove it to themselves.

If anyone doubts it, go get a nitrile and a silicone ADBV and prove it to yourself.

https://www.smithers.com/industries/materials/rubber

 

[hrv]

Ill call this place on Monday/Tuesday and see if I can talk to their test manager and get info on how reliable the "burn test" is.

It's pretty evidant from the info already posted that there is a distince way that nitrile burns vs silicon. Anyone with a match can prove it to themselves.

https://www.smithers.com/industries/materials/rubber

and ask if you send them the 2 in question if they could do a test on them....

 

[bullwinkle]

OK then since these places exist... Why dont Bob the Oil Guy mail them the black and the orange anti drain back valve and have them test it and get a one and for all answer...Just think if you are right you can sue Fram about false adverising and maybe get a whole bunch of money out of it...maybe even a class action suit.

First Brands has better lawyers than we do! And, if we won, then they would just cheapen their products even more (& probably lie about it)!

 

[hrv]

First Brands has better lawyers than we do! And, if we won, then they would just cheapen their products even more (& probably lie about it)!

Dont give up that easy.....If you won who cares what first brand does....there are other oil filter companies out there...Let get to the bottom of this once and for all...

 

[ZeeOSix]

I just did a burn test on a Fram Ultra XG silicone ADBV. It burned just like all the linked sources indicate. I could hardly get it to start on fire, and the flame would barely burn and self extinguish. Hardly any smoke, and the burned rubber was white ash. NO melted edge, or flaming rubber drippings falling down. The burned rubber just flaked off after the flame self extinguished.

I don't have a "black silicone" Fram ADBV, but from the other threads discussing how they burned they were nowhere even close to how this silicone ADBV burned. If it was nitrile rubber, it will burn easily, smoke like crazy and NOT produce white residue. I might have a black nitrile ADBV laying around from a different filter brand that I can burn.

Anyone got a nitrile ADBV and a lighter laying around. Do it outside unless you want to breath nasty smoke.

 

[aquariuscsm]

Yes, it appears so. If they are orange or blue, then silicone. If black, likely nitrile.

All of this based on the scientific tests conducted and results shown or linked in this thread.

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/cut-open-ph7317-virgin-x3-orange-blue-black.350869/

That was a really interesting thread, thank you!

 

[mphilleo]

NAPA Golds during their bi-annual filter sale. That's where you want to be. I keep saying this but few listen. I buy filters by the case, but refuse to buy jobber filters. My store is doing theirs right now, usually spring and fall. Prices are of course higher with everything else, but ~$6 filters (formerly $4-5) are fantastic for WIX quality.

I'd have no problem with that, but no sales to be had at either of my two local NAPAs. Still $10 for a Gold, $12 for platinum (none in stock). Might just pick up a WIX cellulose blend for $5 instead.

 

[dlundblad]

At least before they went silicone, I can honestly saw I never had a hard nitrile ADBV on an Extra Guard. I use them on my garden tractors, which run hot too. Never an issue. They could harden with more time perhaps? Not sure.

Hopefully the new nitrile is the same as the old.

 

[dlundblad]

Yes, it appears so. If they are orange or blue, then silicone. If black, likely nitrile.

All of this based on the scientific tests conducted and results shown or linked in this thread.

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/cut-open-ph7317-virgin-x3-orange-blue-black.350869/

Sorry but this needs said.

OP was the first one to comment in this thread.

 

[Snagglefoot]

If it’s yellow let it mellow. If it’s brown flush it down. It’s a Bitog badge of honour to set fire to your ADBV.

 

[PimTac]

Since this topic keeps coming up I did a quick search on nitrile and silicone. There are several forms of nitrile rubber for example.

So I wonder if the difference is really all that great? Both will do the job. If nitrile is cheaper then that makes business sense to use it.

There are different forms of silicone as well but the search focused more on food safe types.


https://barnwell.co.uk/types-of-nitrile/

 

[BigShug681]

But do the filters still have exceptional filtration capabilities? That’s what really matters

 

[aquariuscsm]

The mystery deepens! I just watched this locked thread on the Subaru filters. The Japanese filter has a shiny black adbv when the narrator says is silicone. That's what the new Fram adbvs look like, shiny black vs dull black that you see on lower end filters.

Could the new Fram black adbvs in fact be silicone? Hmm

Here's that Subaru video showing the shiny black adbv.
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/t...de-subaru-oil-filter-is-really-a-fram.352977/

 

[OVERKILL]

The mystery deepens! I just watched this locked thread on the Subaru filters. The Japanese filter has a shiny black adbv when the narrator says is silicone. That's what the new Fram adbvs look like, shiny black vs dull black that you see on lower end filters.

Could the new Fram black adbvs in fact be silicone? Hmm

Here's that Subaru video showing the shiny black adbv.
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/t...de-subaru-oil-filter-is-really-a-fram.352977/

Given how little that guy knows about filters, why would you believe him on ADBV material?

 

[aquariuscsm]

Comparing the EG and TG, looking through the middle core holes, the TG's pleats are a different color and look more tightly close together. I think the TG (what I always used in the past) will be what I'll grab.

Any "made in Japan" Honda filters easily available? I used to hear the made in Japan Honda filters discussed in the past. My 300ZX still uses the made in Japan oem blue can Nissan filters.

 

[aquariuscsm]

Given how little that guy knows about filters, why would you believe him on ADBV material?

Good point!

 

[aquariuscsm]

Anyone ever heard of Hamp?
https://afhkparts.com/shop/jdm-hamp-rta-honda-oil-filter/

 

[ZeeOSix]

The mystery deepens! I just watched this locked thread on the Subaru filters. The Japanese filter has a shiny black adbv when the narrator says is silicone. That's what the new Fram adbvs look like, shiny black vs dull black that you see on lower end filters.

Could the new Fram black adbvs in fact be silicone? Hmm

The narrator "thought" it might be silicone. No literature to say it was.

Only one way to find out is to burn baby burn, lol.

Someone needs to burn a Toyota black ADBV too.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Ok, I found a black shiny ADBV from a quick lube (Champ made) oil filter. Did the flame test and it's 100% obvious that it is nitrile.

Started on fire almost instantly (the silicone ADBV posted earlier in this thread was super hard to start on fire), and the flame spread fast and gave off tons of black smoke. No white burn residue, but instead black burn residue.

So even "shiny" black ADBVs can be nitrile as shown with this test.

 

[gregk24]

Interesting thread. I’m still in the silicon camp. If Fram moves the Ultra to nitrile I’ll be using Honda OEM or Mobil 1 filters on the Accord.