Did Fram switch back to nitrile adbvs?
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if they didnt take the time to change the marketing, i still think it was a supply chain issue.
Probably, as Fram's website still shows the orange/red silicone ADBV on their website. It's been awhile since the first black ADBVs have been noticed.
https://www.fram.com/products/consumer-products/oil-filters/fram-extra-guardsup-sup-oil-filter/
One would assume you know that for a fact because they are all orang-ish in color.
Proving now as then not all the orange cans or TGs got the now proven black nitrile adbvs. Afaik, the Ultra XG never fell victim to the black nitrile adbv substitution. That some TG did, imo a bigger deal on a 15k rated filter than on an orange can.
As for reason this happened, been logically stated many times with this topic, likely supply chain issues. They are common now. Sadly, wasn't admitted. Instead, this subforum first got the "old stock vs new stock", and later "they are all still orange" answers.
As for whether the member tests were scientific. From the standpoint that the freezer and burn test both used a control(s), compared known Fram silicone adbvs, the answer would be affirmative. Beyond that if one wants to send the black nitrile off to an independent chem lab for analysis, go for it. It would just confirm what's common knowledge here now.
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Still works though. The qualitative difference between a nitrile and a silicone elastomer is obvious as nitrile is quite acrid (coming from an acryl group).
If you don't like that sheet here's another one:
https://www.utenterprises.com/basic-elastomers.html
India????
Snipped from the link. Everyone has a match or lighter ... only thing you need to do a burn test.
Show some from the USA....They are only certified in India...
Despite silliness to the contrary, an amateur burn test in this instance is entirely appropriate and sufficient, and will identify whether the polymer is nitrile or silicone. Grousing over whether a website is coming from India or elsewhere is just adding useless noise to the discussion.
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He doesn't want evidence or anything that supports this, he wants First Brands to not have defiled the FRAM products because he's a fan of FRAM. I was a fan of the OG Ultra too, but there's a difference between being disappointed and rational and completely delusional.
... how about one from Australia. Seems every place around the entire globe shows the same information on how different rubber burns. Maybe you should do some Googling to prove that they are all wrong.https://jehbco.com.au/rubber-burn-tests/
"There are multiple methods of determining what type of rubber is used in a product, but methods such as elemental analysis are costly, require specialised equipment, and is not practical in the field. One tried and tested method that we use regularly at Jehbco is a burn test, in which a small sample of the rubber material is combusted. The characteristic burning pattern, smell, smoke colour, and mode of extinguishing are all indicators that can be used to identify what the composition of the burned sample is."
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NAPA Golds during their bi-annual filter sale. That's where you want to be. I keep saying this but few listen. I buy filters by the case, but refuse to buy jobber filters. My store is doing theirs right now, usually spring and fall. Prices are of course higher with everything else, but ~$6 filters (formerly $4-5) are fantastic for WIX quality.
OK then since these places exist... Why dont Bob the Oil Guy mail them the black and the orange anti drain back valve and have them test it and get a one and for all answer...Just think if you are right you can sue Fram about false adverising and maybe get a whole bunch of money out of it...maybe even a class action suit.
https://jehbco.com.au/rubber-burn-tests/
"There are multiple methods of determining what type of rubber is used in a product, but methods such as elemental analysis are costly, require specialised equipment, and is not practical in the field. One tried and tested method that we use regularly at Jehbco is a burn test, in which a small sample of the rubber material is combusted. The characteristic burning pattern, smell, smoke colour, and mode of extinguishing are all indicators that can be used to identify what the composition of the burned sample is."
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lets do it... Have Bob the Oil Guy send them off to be tested....This site is very well known and most peole that love cars know who Bob the Oil Guy is and the oil forum site..
Good idea.... If you are right you can sue.....if not o well....I'll email some places and see how they test rubber materials ... my bet it they do a burn test just like the link in post #34, for 1000s of dollars.
I’m not that interested, sorry. Nor do I wish to “stick it” to Fram either. But maybe that’s just me
