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Originally Posted By: callbay
Don't get married without a prenuptial. No matter how much in love you are now. People change. I have a close friend going through a divorce. His wife is going to get the house that he paid for. He is even going to have to pay off the motgage for her. He is worried that she might even get part of his retirement (he is an airline pilot). He will loose almost everything he has.

He should have gotten a lawyer for this divorce. I don't understand the settlement you describe. There is more to it than you are indicating.
 
I've been dating for 15+ years (not to one person). I can't see myself marrying anyone in the near future. I just get bored easily once in a relationship and need change every once in a while; some people were just meant to be single
 
Originally Posted By: morris
from very start have separate money, and joint money for the house ect.

Who determines the amount that goes in each account? I hope its not by earning power. That is a sure recipe for disaster. Separate accounts lead to more individual spending without a common long term goal. Doesn't sound like a good plan..but that's just me.

We have always had a joint account and have both been open and transparent in our spending. Again that's just us. But it has worked for over 42 years. Probably not for everyone.
 
Originally Posted By: Al
Originally Posted By: callbay
Don't get married without a prenuptial. No matter how much in love you are now. People change. I have a close friend going through a divorce. His wife is going to get the house that he paid for. He is even going to have to pay off the motgage for her. He is worried that she might even get part of his retirement (he is an airline pilot). He will loose almost everything he has.

He should have gotten a lawyer for this divorce. I don't understand the settlement you describe. There is more to it than you are indicating.


Both parties have seperate attorneys. I don't know much more but it seems extreemly unfair to the man. A prenutial would have protected his assets (if set up well).
 
Originally Posted By: Trav
By a brand new Corvette a nice pad,some sharp clothes and date as many as possible.
When one starts talking about kids,marriage,moving in and this kind of stuff say bye bye pronto.
Its a whole lot cheaper in the long run,more fun too.

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No, buy 2 corvettes.
 
For all of those who don't really think they'll ever get married, do you think your outlook would change if an unplanned pregnancy were to happen?
 
Originally Posted By: Pesca
Vasectomy and condoms have been invented for a reason.


I can attest that they don't always work. I had a vasectomy and my wife was on birth control. My vasectomy failed and my wife's BC didn't work due to antibiotics she was on.

New life has a way of just happening sometimes, even when not planned for and during hard times (We had to take out a second mortgage to pay for our health insurance bills and medical bills). I'm getting a second vasectomy in a few weeks, so hopefully this one will be a little more successful.
 
Originally Posted By: Al


We have always had a joint account and have both been open and transparent in our spending. Again that's just us. But it has worked for over 42 years. Probably not for everyone.


+1 One bank account, one email address, one vehicle (one wife, one marriage). Married over 40 yrs, started dating in '62.
 
Originally Posted By: kb01
Originally Posted By: Pesca
Vasectomy and condoms have been invented for a reason.


I can attest that they don't always work. I had a vasectomy and my wife was on birth control. My vasectomy failed and my wife's BC didn't work due to antibiotics she was on.


I heard the same story by one of my co worker: His uncle's wife got pregnant 3 times even after his vasectomy and her trump ligature!!

Sometimes you cannot go against nature, but you can still try by using condoms.
 
Originally Posted By: Pesca
Yep, get a prenup, especially if you come in the relationship with not the same level of luggage.

That is what I did, and now that I am separating, at least I will keep the house and my money at the bank (Well, what is left of it).

Hope for the best, prepare for the worst.

If you divorced, you will see how expensive getting married is: You'd better stay single.


Yep, definitively, don't get married if you don't have the same amount money than your future wife.

I have just learned today that I will get screwed anyway, even with the prenup.

I did not prepare enough for the worst, so it is coming!

But it just feels so strange to not invest in a marriage: I should have lived poorly with my money in the bank to not get screwed in case of a divorce, weird.
That is not really a good incentive for marriage.
 
I have just learned today that I will get screwed anyway, even with the prenup.


How did the prenup not work? Got any advise for others how to do the prenuptial so it will work for sure?

Thanks and I hope it will get better for you!
 
Originally Posted By: Papa Bear
Originally Posted By: Al


We have always had a joint account and have both been open and transparent in our spending. Again that's just us. But it has worked for over 42 years. Probably not for everyone.


+1 One bank account, one email address, one vehicle (one wife, one marriage). Married over 40 yrs, started dating in '62.


same here, we budget every cent and have a spreadsheet we both see all the time, so we are transparent... I am the breadwinner, she looks after the kids (for now). this may not work for everyone though.
I could not conceive having seperate bank accounts for each other, how do you decide who's paying for the chops tonight, or do you give her $5 or what? It's one big pot when you are married or de facto... what's the point of being seperate?

some days i wonder what single would have been like, would have been better off financially, but for what? We have spoken about what would happen if everything went south, but who knows, people change , i can change, she can change. we started with nothing (literally).
 
Originally Posted By: callbay

I have just learned today that I will get screwed anyway, even with the prenup.


How did the prenup not work? Got any advise for others how to do the prenuptial so it will work for sure?

Thanks and I hope it will get better for you!

OK, I will try to explain:
When we met she did not have a lot of money (got divorced once and then met a [censored] who push her into bankruptcy. Of course, no help for her parents who are more interested in looking after their navel than their children and grandchildren (they have even stolen money from them)).
On my part, being single for a long time, helped by my parents to start my professional without debts, and being frugal all my life, I was quite wealthy.

When we decided to get married, we both recognized the situation but still, since we wanted to share (what is the point of getting married otherwise), we decided on a prenup agreement recognizing both our financial situations.
Of course, as we get married, I put all my effort and wealth for anyone (her, her two daughters and me) to get a nice house and be happy, so I pay almost entirely for the down-payment of the house.
As we got about the same salary, we contribute equally to the household, sharing every nickel.

4 years later, now that we are separating, we BOTH agreed, that it would be fare to still take in account that I put more money at the beginning and keep that in mind in the calculation to determine who gets what.
But I learned yesterday, that whatever we decide, even if SHE agrees with this, a judge can still puts his nose in our business and decide unilaterally to split the wealth equally, discarding at the same time the prenup and our mutual arrangement, even against HER will. As soon as you invest financially in the marriage, YOUR money becomes OUR money, even if it was stated in the prenup that was YOUR money.

As an example, at her first divorce, she did not want squad about her ex husband, she just wanted to leave, but a judge forced HER to get a monthly allocation from her husband (And this [censored] was proud to show the world that he supported his ex wife: He forced her into the divorce and gave her $6 a month!!).

So, from what I get from that experience:
- Never married someone who is poorer than you, always someone who has about the same amount of money, or even better, richer than you (ex.: Kevin Federline).
- If you really want to marry someone who is poorer than you, don't put any more money in your marriage than your wife can match, therefore live poorly with your big bag of cash in the bank. Question is then: What is the point of getting married in the first place if you don't want to contribute to your happiness?

Last thing, I don't know if this is the case also in the US but, in Quebec, after you lived more than one year with someone else under the same roof, for the society you are considered the same as married (de facto spouse and husband?), therefore, you will share all you got equally in case of separation.
Thankfully, I got married so I got a prenup which, I hope, will help me fight to keep what I can. Thankfully too, my future ex wife is more on my side than the law, she is a fair lady, lucky me, but to what level is let to be seen.
Next fight on Monday.
 
Sorry about your troubles, Pesca. Thank you for sharing the details.

Anyone out there know of cases in the US where a prenuptial has been ignored by the judege?

It seems crazy to me but I guess that is a lot like the rest of our society now.
 
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Anyone out there know of cases in the US where a prenuptial has been ignored by the judege?


Don't know about that, but judges make up the law as they see fit. This is especially true if they know (and they do since you have to provide financial data) that people don't have much money to pay lawyers to contest their ruling.

The judge can decree whatever they like and unless you have a LOT of money to take it to a higher court, it's the law and you have to abide by it.
 
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