When did he say that in this video? I just heard him say that it's not worth changing the filter earlier than it's designed for, you're just wasting money, which is true.
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I do not care about the so-called efficiency thing here; from my limited understanding he did say if you have an Oil Filter that is rated for 20,000 miles, and you are doing 5000-mile oci's keep the oil filter on for 20,000 miles. The flip side here is that this is my opinion, this is someone who purchases a brand-new vehicle, a used vehicle with 50K or 100K is a different story.
What's your opinion on that? That you don't care on a new vehicle?
Yes, it depends on how dirty the engine is. Leaving a low efficiency oil filter on an engine with lots of debris going on, or if doing some kind of clean-up procedure isn't doing the oil cleanliness any good - ie, leaving a filter that's 99% @ 45u and rated for 20K miles used on a dirty engine isn't the best move. The longer you leave a low efficiency filter on the more it loads with debris and the more its efficiency drops. Oil filters with high ISO efficiency ratings don't shed much as they load up as seen in the ISO efficiency test data, and don't lose efficiency nearly as fast as low efficiency filters.
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If you have a brand-new vehicle, I forgot I have a car with Multi Port Fuel Injection, if you have a vehicle with GDI and you are using a cheap oil, maybe cut the oil filter open to see what is going on. If you are using Valvoline Restore and Protect you might not need to cut the oil filter open but that is your choice.
Valvoline Restore and Protect is not going to load up an oil filter on a brand-new car, I am basing this on my experience and since I do not have a car with Direct Injection then cut your oil filters up after a run of Valvoline Restore and Protect! The 500K video on that so called Ford engine showed really nothing in the oil filter after using Valvoline Restore and Protect. Kind of proves Valvoline Restore and Protect liquifies stuff!
Liquefies most stuff, but not all like shown here and on some other similar cases. Depends on the level and kind of engine deposits.
Liquefies most stuff, but not all like shown here and on some other similar cases. Depends on the level and kind of engine deposits.
2005 Honda Odyssey. 214k miles. Been on Valvoline Restore and Protect since ~ 208k. This would have roughly been from 211k-214k.
I am talking about a brand-new vehicle. Then again that Honda was not DI, so if it were DI, maybe it would be worse?
I was addressing your "liquefies" statement. As show, it doesn't liquefy everything. It seems to liquefy varnish and minor deposits, but not everything if there are massive deposits in the engine like seen in the video above.
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Oh, sure, for looking for debris, why not. I have an almost new motor (5k on bottom end, ~100 miles on the head), it's DI + PI, has only had frequent oil changes with quality stuff. I'm pulling that filter at 500 miles to see how much sparkly there is from the head break-in.
On the other car with 120,000 miles, DI only, well-maintained, I never bother with earlier filter changes. Filter rated for 10,000 miles and I do 3,000 mile changes? It's probably getting changed once a year. No reason to expect a bunch of debris to suddenly appear in the filter.
But again, it doesn't hurt to change it early (aside from the money) so not gonna tell anyone not to do it. It just seems like a non-issue that some youtuber might have mis-spoke about once.
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I did say stuff!
I did kind of miss the carbon Deposits in the Oil Filter, I am thinking on an engine with 100K or maybe 200K there would be carbon deposits in the oil filter, in the 500K engine tear down were their carbon deposits?
The engine Valvoline ran to 500K miles with conventional oil certainly had way more deposits than the engine ran on their full synthetic. The ring pack has way more carbon deposits (and stuck rings) than the other engine. Valvoline never showed any details shots of the cut open oil filters, so can't really say there was "nothing in them" without some visual proof.
Good Point, they should have shown that!
Good point again, they did do some UOA thing, did they ever say anything in the video about oil filter changes or when they were done. Something is odd here, in the test on the 500,000-mile test on conventional there were no pics of the oil filters or when they were changed. But when Valvoline Restore and Protect was used we did see some pics of an Oil Filter!
I take back what I said about them not showing any oil filter shots. I watched the video again and towards the end (after time 13 minutes) they cut open the 2nd filter off the conventional engine - but didn't really show any close up visuals of the media. They ran two OCIs, each 24 hours long on each engine changing the filter too, and so the 2nd filter was just for the 2nd OCI. They should have shown the filter from the first 24 hour run on the conventional engine. And one has to ask would a 24 hour run clean as well as a 5000-7500 mile run in real use. The time factor might be different, where longer time in contact with the oil may help clean better.
I tend to agree but I do use and recommend Redline SL-1 twice per year.
Patman
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That’s my belief too. I don’t add anything to my fuel in either car, I use Top Tier 99% of the time
SI-1 ... I've used it for years, and recently started using the Gumout Regane which also gets good reviews.
https://www.redlineoil.com/si-1-complete-fuel-system-cleaner
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CleanSump
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SI1 once a year for us. We get Exxon mostly with occasional Shell. Exxon because it's always 10 cents less than the noname, not TT stations near us.
Does TT or SI1 work? I don't know for sure if one or both, but when I pulled the intakes off our N52s when they needed new starters the intakes were clean and the ports and intake valves looked brand new. That would be 125k and 155k miles respectively.
Does TT or SI1 work? I don't know for sure if one or both, but when I pulled the intakes off our N52s when they needed new starters the intakes were clean and the ports and intake valves looked brand new. That would be 125k and 155k miles respectively.
I travel Atlanta to Charlotte and back about once a month (~250 miles) and almost always toss a bottle of fuel cleaner in the tank before I make the drive. For the couple bucks it costs and the knowledge that polyetheramine is proven to clean, I’m happy to do so.
Our 4 vehicles average is 17 years old and 145k miles. All but 1 bought new and maintained along the way. Maybe those fuel cleaners were a waste of money, maybe not
Our 4 vehicles average is 17 years old and 145k miles. All but 1 bought new and maintained along the way. Maybe those fuel cleaners were a waste of money, maybe not
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