Data Deep Dive - Valvoline Restore and Protect + Motor Oil Additives
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I have seen the Mobil 1 Advanced Clean be thrown around in the Triple Action claim as well. I almost reached out and asked if it was formulated to mimic it, but I refrained as the customer service probably wouldn't tell me that info anyway. Could you almost remove EP from this list since the newest reformulation changed?
My picks from Mobil 1 would be the AC, ESP, and SUV.
So it appears whatever makes up "Triple Action" (was a reformulation in 2023 and supposedly trickle down from Redbull Racing) is used across the line.
Mobil 1 is just a brand name of oils now. It's been that way since early 2000's. There is no longer just Mobil 1. Niche oils designed for specific purpose and application use.
I agree with your Mobil 1 ranking.
Is this the same video? I found the convo at ~30 min in here related to additives and the brands/owners that use the most. No shocker. Europeans. Why? B/c Liquimoly has amazing marketing is why. The German car enthusiast scene and indy Euro shops promote it heavily and it works - Cerataec/MoS2 are the drivers here is my hypothesis.
Those BBQ Tickng Coyotes need the CeraTec Friction Modifier to get the ticking to dispensary almost instantly ... works most of the time.
I was wondering if someone was going to bring that up.
I did catch that. But I don’t think anyone here didn’t already know that. Everything has trade offs. The right esters used correctly are pretty darn good. Just dumping esters or any additives in fully formulated oil, not good…..
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Most of us on here would still rather have a PAO/ester base than all group 3.
That’s where Amsoil excels with their extensive testing. Which IMO is why it really shined in the LSJR shootout.
To point out that the total compatibility of the fixed or combination of additive packs can have a effect with the type of base oil ester/pao blend (s), or even g-III , however lab tests are fine, but the Test engine selected to the dyno and real-world vehicle tests are very beneficial in adjusting the overall outcome of the lubricant , with consideration to the desired price point, and availability of the oils components ,,,,,,,,,,, development can and is a exhausting & expensive task. is also why it proprietary information.
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I haven't seen that angle pushed on here in years, that's the Redline white bottle and Motul 300V "bruh, it's got ESTERS!!!!" schtick. I think most of the established membership, who have benefited from technical information shared over the years from @MolaKule, @Tom NJ and more recently @High Performance Lubricants, are well aware that formulation is a balancing act and that base oil selection is a complex, often tedious process, due to the varying properties and strengths and weaknesses that each possesses, particularly when it comes to esters because there are so many different types with considerable differences in properties and performance.
This is effectively what Dr. Rudnick was trying to "optimize" back in the tri-syn days, combining a certain blend of esters, AN's and PAO to capitalize on the strengths of each base, while negating, as well as possible, the weaknesses. The main problem with this approach was, and continues to be, the cost. Of course modern formulations also benefit from a broader slate of Group II and III offerings that weren't available when Tri-Syn was developed, increasing the ability to develop more affordable blends without a significant compromise on performance.
We have ribbed him more!
That tells you he is reading everything here, yet he does not want to come on here and do the debate thing.
He is entitled to his opinion; his videos are what they are, but when he mentions a Forum, this 1, we get more views here.
Agree. And he still doubled down on oil filters becoming more efficient as they get loaded up...
Yes it's clear he lurks at least from time to time.
Apparently not in the oil filter forum, lol
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@Hohn you were right on the MPG's
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