DuckRyder - thanks for the C&P. Nice looking filter.
[Cut Open] Fram XG7317 - 12,045 mi
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Love these filters. Thanks for the photos!
Thanks for the C&P. The filter looks great for the miles. I am going with the Ultra after I use up my stash for my 2012 Civic. I have about 6 filters to go therefore it will be quite a while. I will put one on the Corvette next time.
Thanks for sharing. XG7317 went on the Accord last weekend, 500 miles on it already. Did you happen to notice anything between those pleats, or do you have a really clean machine there? I suspect that you do have a clean machine, but the audience needs to know.
I'd trust a Fram Ultra to hold together without developing holes in it long before I'd trust almost any paper oil filter in existence today.
It also has better filtering efficiency than the closest competitors: Royal Purple oil filters, and Amsoil EaO oil filters, and is cheaper at walmart too.
Only problem is, some dull, slow people at Fram haven't yet offered true PF64 and PF63E replacements for high-bypass pressure GM applications, almost every gasoline GM engine made in the past 6 years.
Still waiting on the promised XG12060 for many GM applications! https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/4752965/Fram_XG12060_-_GM_22psi_spec_U
It also has better filtering efficiency than the closest competitors: Royal Purple oil filters, and Amsoil EaO oil filters, and is cheaper at walmart too.
Only problem is, some dull, slow people at Fram haven't yet offered true PF64 and PF63E replacements for high-bypass pressure GM applications, almost every gasoline GM engine made in the past 6 years.
Still waiting on the promised XG12060 for many GM applications! https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/4752965/Fram_XG12060_-_GM_22psi_spec_U
Everyone is welcome of course.
Astro Guy, I still have it I will take a look, but there is never anything in them, it is a pretty clean engine.
Astro Guy, I still have it I will take a look, but there is never anything in them, it is a pretty clean engine.
Originally Posted by ZOMBIE
NOTICED hydraulic lifter noise after using this and moble !. Was using Pennzoil before and am not sure if I head this noise. I am going back to penziol syntic and am thinking of trying a less restrictive filter or something else.
All of that makes perfect since. That mobile ! is you're problem and I'm sure penzoil syntic will fix it good along with the less restrictive fliter, I'd try pureoleter those fitlers are the least restrictive
NOTICED hydraulic lifter noise after using this and moble !. Was using Pennzoil before and am not sure if I head this noise. I am going back to penziol syntic and am thinking of trying a less restrictive filter or something else.
All of that makes perfect since. That mobile ! is you're problem and I'm sure penzoil syntic will fix it good along with the less restrictive fliter, I'd try pureoleter those fitlers are the least restrictive
Originally Posted by ZOMBIE
NOTICED hydraulic lifter noise after using this and moble !. Was using Pennzoil before and am not sure if I head this noise. I am going back to penziol syntic and am thinking of trying a less restrictive filter or something else.
A restrictive filter? Possible. Mobil 1 motor oil ? Nah, no lifter noise do to that. Surely some elevated iron in the used oil is likely though h with that oil lol
NOTICED hydraulic lifter noise after using this and moble !. Was using Pennzoil before and am not sure if I head this noise. I am going back to penziol syntic and am thinking of trying a less restrictive filter or something else.
A restrictive filter? Possible. Mobil 1 motor oil ? Nah, no lifter noise do to that. Surely some elevated iron in the used oil is likely though h with that oil lol
Originally Posted by Bond
ZOMBIE said:
They always look pretty good. The gasketing is the way it should be instead of their lower series. The problem isn't with the design it's been QC, rattling. Fram never resolved the reason for rattling, but the reason exists. I also found glue over center tube holes which I didn't like. If they could clean up the assembly, throw a little heavier can on it, it would be even better. I don't buy their products anymore for unsaid reasons, but this is a good one.
Don't feed the ____
Originally Posted by goodtimes
They always look pretty good. The gasketing is the way it should be instead of their lower series. The problem isn't with the design it's been QC, rattling. Fram never resolved the reason for rattling, but the reason exists. I also found glue over center tube holes which I didn't like. If they could clean up the assembly, throw a little heavier can on it, it would be even better. I don't buy their products anymore for unsaid reasons, but this is a good one.
There isn't anything wrong with the "lower series" either in fact they work the same way - the end cap is the seal. This has been explained on the other thread and I'm still waiting for you and the other poster that claims it is a "defect" or that the filter is in "bypass" to come back and explain logically how that is (hint: it isn't) but there are crickets over there while it keeps getting trotted out elsewhere. Why exactly is that?
(Not that this thread is about the "lower series" anyway ... but still)
How many of these "rattling" Ultras have you heard about because I remember a couple and that is it... It is hardly a widespread problem. The glue, the single failed TG (I figured those are next, so I'll go ahead and put ithem out there) and rattling filters is a problem but so far at least they seem very isolated.
FRAM seems to respond to questions, comments, issues pretty well so I use FRAM on occasion. (car doesn't have one on it now though) It is fine if others choose not to.
Originally Posted by goodtimes
They always look pretty good. The gasketing is the way it should be instead of their lower series. The problem isn't with the design it's been QC, rattling. Fram never resolved the reason for rattling, but the reason exists. I also found glue over center tube holes which I didn't like. If they could clean up the assembly, throw a little heavier can on it, it would be even better. I don't buy their products anymore for unsaid reasons, but this is a good one.
There isn't anything wrong with the "lower series" either in fact they work the same way - the end cap is the seal. This has been explained on the other thread and I'm still waiting for you and the other poster that claims it is a "defect" or that the filter is in "bypass" to come back and explain logically how that is (hint: it isn't) but there are crickets over there while it keeps getting trotted out elsewhere. Why exactly is that?
(Not that this thread is about the "lower series" anyway ... but still)
How many of these "rattling" Ultras have you heard about because I remember a couple and that is it... It is hardly a widespread problem. The glue, the single failed TG (I figured those are next, so I'll go ahead and put ithem out there) and rattling filters is a problem but so far at least they seem very isolated.
FRAM seems to respond to questions, comments, issues pretty well so I use FRAM on occasion. (car doesn't have one on it now though) It is fine if others choose not to.
Astro Guy / ALL
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There wasn't anything to speak of in the pleats. As has been mentioned cutting the media apart on one of these without a saw or something is nearly impossible, so what you see post media dissection is from me, my hands and hacksaw...
This engine is pretty clean:
![[Linked Image]](http://www.rangerxlt.com/images/forums/vehicles/Civic/Motor1.jpg "[Linked Image]")
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At 100,000 miles (October 2012)
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![[Linked Image]](http://www.rangerxlt.com/images/forums/vehicles/Civic/Civic172000b.jpg "[Linked Image]")
At 172,000 miles (August 2017)
and today at about 185,000 miles.
![[Linked Image]](http://www.rangerxlt.com/images/forums/vehicles/Civic/Civic185000.jpg "[Linked Image]")
There wasn't anything to speak of in the pleats. As has been mentioned cutting the media apart on one of these without a saw or something is nearly impossible, so what you see post media dissection is from me, my hands and hacksaw...
This engine is pretty clean:
At 100,000 miles (October 2012)
At 172,000 miles (August 2017)
and today at about 185,000 miles.
Originally Posted by DuckRyder
Don't feed the ____
Originally Posted by goodtimes
They always look pretty good. The gasketing is the way it should be instead of their lower series. The problem isn't with the design it's been QC, rattling. Fram never resolved the reason for rattling, but the reason exists. I also found glue over center tube holes which I didn't like. If they could clean up the assembly, throw a little heavier can on it, it would be even better. I don't buy their products anymore for unsaid reasons, but this is a good one.
There isn't anything wrong with the "lower series" either in fact they work the same way - the end cap is the seal. This has been explained on the other thread and I'm still waiting for you and the other poster that claims it is a "defect" or that the filter is in "bypass" to come back and explain logically how that is (hint: it isn't) but there are crickets over there while it keeps getting trotted out elsewhere. Why exactly is that?
(Not that this thread is about the "lower series" anyway ... but still)
How many of these "rattling" Ultras have you heard about because I remember a couple and that is it... It is hardly a widespread problem. The glue, the single failed TG (I figured those are next, so I'll go ahead and put ithem out there) and rattling filters is a problem but so far at least they seem very isolated.
FRAM seems to respond to questions, comments, issues pretty well so I use FRAM on occasion. (car doesn't have one on it now though) It is fine if others choose not to.
I never agree with the bypass theory with center tube gap. You want to be called some names like you think is OK to call me? I got plenty. How old are you, ten? How's that.
So unbunch those knickers, the Ultra has had problems you think so or not. You read all about them too, just like the one above who claims nothing exists even though he was in the thread himself.
Don't feed the ____
Originally Posted by goodtimes
They always look pretty good. The gasketing is the way it should be instead of their lower series. The problem isn't with the design it's been QC, rattling. Fram never resolved the reason for rattling, but the reason exists. I also found glue over center tube holes which I didn't like. If they could clean up the assembly, throw a little heavier can on it, it would be even better. I don't buy their products anymore for unsaid reasons, but this is a good one.
There isn't anything wrong with the "lower series" either in fact they work the same way - the end cap is the seal. This has been explained on the other thread and I'm still waiting for you and the other poster that claims it is a "defect" or that the filter is in "bypass" to come back and explain logically how that is (hint: it isn't) but there are crickets over there while it keeps getting trotted out elsewhere. Why exactly is that?
(Not that this thread is about the "lower series" anyway ... but still)
How many of these "rattling" Ultras have you heard about because I remember a couple and that is it... It is hardly a widespread problem. The glue, the single failed TG (I figured those are next, so I'll go ahead and put ithem out there) and rattling filters is a problem but so far at least they seem very isolated.
FRAM seems to respond to questions, comments, issues pretty well so I use FRAM on occasion. (car doesn't have one on it now though) It is fine if others choose not to.
I never agree with the bypass theory with center tube gap. You want to be called some names like you think is OK to call me? I got plenty. How old are you, ten? How's that.
So unbunch those knickers, the Ultra has had problems you think so or not. You read all about them too, just like the one above who claims nothing exists even though he was in the thread himself.
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Actually I reread my first post thinking I must have said something wrong. I didn't, I was actually very accurate and nice, but received a torrent of hate. That is far more interesting than oil filters in itself. Product loyalty is sort of like being hypnotized.
Originally Posted by goodtimes
I never agree with the bypass theory with center tube gap.
Oh that is clear, I'm just asking you to explain it (in the other thread).
Originally Posted by goodtimes
Actually I reread my first post thinking I must have said something wrong. I didn't, I was actually very accurate and nice, but received a torrent of hate. That is far more interesting than oil filters in itself. Product loyalty is sort of like being hypnotized.
I did not call you any names. That was directed at others (it should be obvious who the others are) which is why it was above your quote. I do not believe you received a "torrent of hate", I certainly did not intend it so.
Guess my hypnosis is wearing off since I put a ROKI on it.
I never agree with the bypass theory with center tube gap.
Oh that is clear, I'm just asking you to explain it (in the other thread).
Originally Posted by goodtimes
Actually I reread my first post thinking I must have said something wrong. I didn't, I was actually very accurate and nice, but received a torrent of hate. That is far more interesting than oil filters in itself. Product loyalty is sort of like being hypnotized.
I did not call you any names. That was directed at others (it should be obvious who the others are) which is why it was above your quote. I do not believe you received a "torrent of hate", I certainly did not intend it so.
Guess my hypnosis is wearing off since I put a ROKI on it.
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People pull up facts and data to debunk wild theories and strawman claims, then get accused of making things up when it's all in black and white for all to read, and then get called names in certain non-direct manners, like seen in a few posts above. It's a repeating pattern with the same misperceived claims spewed out with a given trolling agenda in the background. I think we all can see what's really going on here. Maybe sometimes someone can't recall all hundred thousand+ threads that they've read over 10 years. People who accuse someone else of being a "L" best be very careful what they are claiming.
Anyway, I'm still waiting for all those thread links to the rattling filters ... all 3 of them.
Not for me, but for others reading this stuff, just like the last time I asked for validation of claims (ie, the fluke PC info). And when the info was all laid out, then certain discussion participants seemed to crawl away for obvious reasons.
Anyway, I'm still waiting for all those thread links to the rattling filters ... all 3 of them.
Originally Posted by ZeeOSix
People pull up facts and data to debunk wild theories and strawman claims, then get accused of making things up when it's all in black and white for all to read, and then get called names in certain non-direct manners, like seen in a few posts above. It's a repeating pattern with the same misperceived claims spewed out with a given trolling agenda in the background. I think we all can see what's really going on here. Maybe sometimes someone can't recall all hundred thousand+ threads that they've read over 10 years. People who accuse someone else of being a "L" best be very careful what they are claiming.
Anyway, I'm still waiting for all those thread links to the rattling filters ... all 3 of them.
Not for me, but for others reading this stuff, just like the last time I asked for validation of claims (ie, the fluke PC info). And when the info was all laid out, then certain discussion participants seemed to crawl away for obvious reasons.
Big talker, but you didn't tell the truth when you said the particle test probably doesn't exist, as you know full well it exists. You did it again with the ISO cleanliness results, with no shame, and no apology for not telling the truth. You debunked nothing btw.. Why are you waiting for the Fram Ultra rattling thread? You know all about it as you were in it. Untruth number 3 and you're not ashamed one bit. Pathetic.
People pull up facts and data to debunk wild theories and strawman claims, then get accused of making things up when it's all in black and white for all to read, and then get called names in certain non-direct manners, like seen in a few posts above. It's a repeating pattern with the same misperceived claims spewed out with a given trolling agenda in the background. I think we all can see what's really going on here. Maybe sometimes someone can't recall all hundred thousand+ threads that they've read over 10 years. People who accuse someone else of being a "L" best be very careful what they are claiming.
Anyway, I'm still waiting for all those thread links to the rattling filters ... all 3 of them.
Big talker, but you didn't tell the truth when you said the particle test probably doesn't exist, as you know full well it exists. You did it again with the ISO cleanliness results, with no shame, and no apology for not telling the truth. You debunked nothing btw.. Why are you waiting for the Fram Ultra rattling thread? You know all about it as you were in it. Untruth number 3 and you're not ashamed one bit. Pathetic.
Originally Posted by DuckRyder
Originally Posted by goodtimes
I never agree with the bypass theory with center tube gap.
Oh that is clear, I'm just asking you to explain it (in the other thread).
Originally Posted by goodtimes
Actually I reread my first post thinking I must have said something wrong. I didn't, I was actually very accurate and nice, but received a torrent of hate. That is far more interesting than oil filters in itself. Product loyalty is sort of like being hypnotized.
I did not call you any names. That was directed at others (it should be obvious who the others are) which is why it was above your quote. I do not believe you received a "torrent of hate", I certainly did not intend it so.
Guess my hypnosis is wearing off since I put a ROKI on it.
No problem, misunderstandings happen. I don't see how the filter bypasses as long as the media is glued and pressure is on the caps on both ends, which it is even with a short center tube. Unless the media is soft and the spring collapses it, then of course everything leaks as the element is loose.. Good pictures and write ups.
Originally Posted by goodtimes
I never agree with the bypass theory with center tube gap.
Oh that is clear, I'm just asking you to explain it (in the other thread).
Originally Posted by goodtimes
Actually I reread my first post thinking I must have said something wrong. I didn't, I was actually very accurate and nice, but received a torrent of hate. That is far more interesting than oil filters in itself. Product loyalty is sort of like being hypnotized.
I did not call you any names. That was directed at others (it should be obvious who the others are) which is why it was above your quote. I do not believe you received a "torrent of hate", I certainly did not intend it so.
Guess my hypnosis is wearing off since I put a ROKI on it.
No problem, misunderstandings happen. I don't see how the filter bypasses as long as the media is glued and pressure is on the caps on both ends, which it is even with a short center tube. Unless the media is soft and the spring collapses it, then of course everything leaks as the element is loose.. Good pictures and write ups.
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