The new petro canada 0w-40 duron e pour point is -66 c or -86.8 f.Price is $25.28 per 4litre.Seems like a good oil for our cold winters.
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Why do you need a 40 weight?
Depends on the vehicle.
Many MB and special Chrysler products take 0w40 only. Most VW cars take 5w40, but 0w40 is fine. Most diesel engines run on 15w40, but a lower pour point is always a good thing.
Many MB and special Chrysler products take 0w40 only. Most VW cars take 5w40, but 0w40 is fine. Most diesel engines run on 15w40, but a lower pour point is always a good thing.
Are there different PP tests?
Motul Etech OW-40 is -76F. ASTM D97
Motul Etech OW-40 is -76F. ASTM D97
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Delo 400 0W-30 is -60 Celsius.
The HTHS on the Duron-E is 4.04, pour point is -66, 5548 centipoise cranking viscosity at -35...I want to see them do something like this in a 0W-30 and it would be the end all and be all of oil for most Canadian usage.
The HTHS on the Duron-E is 4.04, pour point is -66, 5548 centipoise cranking viscosity at -35...I want to see them do something like this in a 0W-30 and it would be the end all and be all of oil for most Canadian usage.
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I used to use Motul E Tech 0W-40,but it costs $80.00 per 5 litre jug.The pp test is the same ASTM D97.
Thanks for posting the price.....I think the specs on this oil are pretty awesome!
MG - look at some of PC's HD 0W-30's, and you might get what you are looking for...there is a Duron semi-syn 0W-30, a Duron full-syn 0W-30....i don't know the nimbers off-hand, but PC does make a lot of 0W-30, both PCMO and HDMO....
MG - look at some of PC's HD 0W-30's, and you might get what you are looking for...there is a Duron semi-syn 0W-30, a Duron full-syn 0W-30....i don't know the nimbers off-hand, but PC does make a lot of 0W-30, both PCMO and HDMO....
There's a Duron 0W-30 blend and then their Arctic 0W-30 PCMO.
The 0W-30 Duron is SJ rated with a pour point of -51, and I think it is SJ rather than SL because it is a fairly high volatility oil. HTHS is right on the button for 3.5 and it is recommended for use in A3/B3 applications. It's on the heavy end of a 30 weight at 12.1 cSt, but that is understandable for a HDEO
The Arctic 0W-30 is SM rated with a pour point of -42, which is not that special considering off the shelf Mobil 1 5W-30 seems to offer similar performance specs and you can get it anywhere. $7.54 a litre at Wally World...compared to $8.52 a litre for Castrol Syntec.
0W-30 XD-3 seems to be the value leader of the group at $22.86 for four litres off the shelf at Wally World, and cheaper yet buying it branded as Arctic at UFA or buying it through an Esso distributor. Little on the thick side but a full PAO, SL rated oil.
I have heard that buying cases of the Arctic 0W-30 the price is in the $4-$5 a litre range. I have not heard anything too impressive about passenger car oils from Petro-Canada unlike their heavy duty products, however. Price-performance is off unless you buy it from the distributor which means buying a minimum of 12 to 16 litres of oil, and they haven't shown great wear numbers.
Of all the oils Petro-Canada makes, this Duron-E synthetic seems to be the most impressive, especially considering the price is around $6.25 a litre. Next to M1 0W-40 on paper it even looks pretty good, of course U0As would have to be done to see what it's like in the real world.
If they made something similar but geared a little more towards the gasoline engine side of things (it's most of the way there being SM and having a TBN of 7.6), say 10.5 cSt hot but similar/better cold specs I really don't know if dollar for dollar anything else on the market could beat it for all-season performance in the bizarre climate we have here.
The 0W-30 Duron is SJ rated with a pour point of -51, and I think it is SJ rather than SL because it is a fairly high volatility oil. HTHS is right on the button for 3.5 and it is recommended for use in A3/B3 applications. It's on the heavy end of a 30 weight at 12.1 cSt, but that is understandable for a HDEO
The Arctic 0W-30 is SM rated with a pour point of -42, which is not that special considering off the shelf Mobil 1 5W-30 seems to offer similar performance specs and you can get it anywhere. $7.54 a litre at Wally World...compared to $8.52 a litre for Castrol Syntec.
0W-30 XD-3 seems to be the value leader of the group at $22.86 for four litres off the shelf at Wally World, and cheaper yet buying it branded as Arctic at UFA or buying it through an Esso distributor. Little on the thick side but a full PAO, SL rated oil.
I have heard that buying cases of the Arctic 0W-30 the price is in the $4-$5 a litre range. I have not heard anything too impressive about passenger car oils from Petro-Canada unlike their heavy duty products, however. Price-performance is off unless you buy it from the distributor which means buying a minimum of 12 to 16 litres of oil, and they haven't shown great wear numbers.
Of all the oils Petro-Canada makes, this Duron-E synthetic seems to be the most impressive, especially considering the price is around $6.25 a litre. Next to M1 0W-40 on paper it even looks pretty good, of course U0As would have to be done to see what it's like in the real world.
If they made something similar but geared a little more towards the gasoline engine side of things (it's most of the way there being SM and having a TBN of 7.6), say 10.5 cSt hot but similar/better cold specs I really don't know if dollar for dollar anything else on the market could beat it for all-season performance in the bizarre climate we have here.
You're missing one in your list - there IS also a Duron Synthetic 0W-30...its not listed on the page of oils, but once you click on the technical data sheet for Duron 5W-40, you will see it. Very similar to the 0W-30 blend oil.
I agree with you 100% - the Duron 'E' 0W-40 is a pretty impressive-looking oil, and 'looks' like a good alternative to M1 0W-40.
I also agree with you that the pour point of the PC Syn 0W-30 doesn't look to great, but look past that, and at the cold-cranking and pumpability numbers on that oil...I think it would work better than M1 at regular interval (5k mile) drains in our winters....just my thoughts!
I agree with you 100% - the Duron 'E' 0W-40 is a pretty impressive-looking oil, and 'looks' like a good alternative to M1 0W-40.
I also agree with you that the pour point of the PC Syn 0W-30 doesn't look to great, but look past that, and at the cold-cranking and pumpability numbers on that oil...I think it would work better than M1 at regular interval (5k mile) drains in our winters....just my thoughts!
Just found it, so here is quick list off of all the data I can find for a few readily available oils in this category that meet SL as a minimum (keep the volatility down as a lot of HDEOs are 0W-30 but do not meet the volatility limits of SL). I'll put them in order of lowest cranking viscostiy to highest at -35.
It appears that the Arctic Synthetic has good characteristics down to somewhere between -35 and -40 at which point it runs into a wall and other oils surpass it. We don't see much time down that low but I think on the high temperature and low temperature end of things, on paper the Duron synthetic beats it and I think in real world usage would likely show better as well...especially at $25 or less per four litre jug.
Petro-Canada Arctic Synthetic 0W-30
API: SM/CF
Kinematic 40/100: 57.6/10.4
Pour Point: -42
HTHS: Not Published
TBN: 7.6
Viscosity Index: 170
-35 Cranking Viscosity: 5434
-40 Pumping Viscosity: 18897
Petro-Canada Duron Synthetic 0W-30
API: CI-4, SM
Kinematic 40/100: 64/11.5
Pour Point: -51
HTHS: 3.3
TBN: 9.2
Viscosity Index: 175
-35 Cranking Viscosity: 5651
-40 Pumping Viscosity: 17456
Esso XD-3 Extra 0W-30
API: CI-4, SL
Kinematic 40/100: 71/12.1
Pour Point: -48
HTHS: Not Published
TBN: 12.2
Viscosity Index: 168
-35 Cranking Viscosity: 5900
-40 Pumping Viscosity: 28600
Mobil 1 0W-30 Advanced Fuel Economy
API: SM/CF
Kinematic 40/100: 63.1/11.0
Pour Point: -54
HTHS: 2.99
TBN: 8.5
Viscosity Index: 169
-35 Cranking Viscosity: Not Published
-40 Pumping Viscosity: 11100 (I am not sure about this number, that is the MRV at -40 rather than a cold crank simulator test and if it is true it's pretty nuts.)
It appears that the Arctic Synthetic has good characteristics down to somewhere between -35 and -40 at which point it runs into a wall and other oils surpass it. We don't see much time down that low but I think on the high temperature and low temperature end of things, on paper the Duron synthetic beats it and I think in real world usage would likely show better as well...especially at $25 or less per four litre jug.
Petro-Canada Arctic Synthetic 0W-30
API: SM/CF
Kinematic 40/100: 57.6/10.4
Pour Point: -42
HTHS: Not Published
TBN: 7.6
Viscosity Index: 170
-35 Cranking Viscosity: 5434
-40 Pumping Viscosity: 18897
Petro-Canada Duron Synthetic 0W-30
API: CI-4, SM
Kinematic 40/100: 64/11.5
Pour Point: -51
HTHS: 3.3
TBN: 9.2
Viscosity Index: 175
-35 Cranking Viscosity: 5651
-40 Pumping Viscosity: 17456
Esso XD-3 Extra 0W-30
API: CI-4, SL
Kinematic 40/100: 71/12.1
Pour Point: -48
HTHS: Not Published
TBN: 12.2
Viscosity Index: 168
-35 Cranking Viscosity: 5900
-40 Pumping Viscosity: 28600
Mobil 1 0W-30 Advanced Fuel Economy
API: SM/CF
Kinematic 40/100: 63.1/11.0
Pour Point: -54
HTHS: 2.99
TBN: 8.5
Viscosity Index: 169
-35 Cranking Viscosity: Not Published
-40 Pumping Viscosity: 11100 (I am not sure about this number, that is the MRV at -40 rather than a cold crank simulator test and if it is true it's pretty nuts.)
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Thanks for setting all that out - interesting comment you made about the 'SL' designation for all these oils; I hadn't taken that into consideration...these are all much more 'passenger car friendly' in theory than the Heavier-Duty SJ oils....
If the M1 MRV number is to be believed, then it would seem it has all the others beat in cold temp performance. But, from what I have seen in Ottawa, the only one of these oils that can be aquired 'easily' is the the PC Artic Synthetic, from PC gas stations. All the other would have to be ordered in quantity from a lubricant distributor...that is something to take into account for people who can't store oil, or only have one vehicle and have no use for large quantities of oil...
If the M1 MRV number is to be believed, then it would seem it has all the others beat in cold temp performance. But, from what I have seen in Ottawa, the only one of these oils that can be aquired 'easily' is the the PC Artic Synthetic, from PC gas stations. All the other would have to be ordered in quantity from a lubricant distributor...that is something to take into account for people who can't store oil, or only have one vehicle and have no use for large quantities of oil...
I looked at the main difference between the SJ and the SL rating, and if given the choice I would take the SL over the SJ oil any day. SM and SL is more application dependent but pretty much any SM oil is good for most gasoline applications.
SJ ratings tend to be on the 0W-30 oils because they can be blended much lighter, the volatility limit is 22% rather than 15% like SL/SM.
I am calling a Petro-Canada distributor here just out of curiosity to see what the pricing is on the Duron and if it can be had in sizes other than four by four litres. I know the Arctic is in 12 by 1 litre cases, and most people who change their own oil could use that up in the course of the year. My parent's new car requires 5W-20 and my dad is doing it by the book for warranty so I can't pawn off any quantity of it on him and keep what I need. If I buy in quantity at a good price I know places I can "get rid" of it for sure reselling my extra quantity.
I hope the Duron can be had in 12 by 1 litre quantities because it's annoying to need one jug plus one litre out of another to do an oil change, where if I go buy any other oil it comes in 4.4 litre, 4.73 litre or 5 litre jugs, depending on where I get it. 4.73 is just perfect with my car for an oversized filter, comes right up to the full line exactly.
SJ ratings tend to be on the 0W-30 oils because they can be blended much lighter, the volatility limit is 22% rather than 15% like SL/SM.
I am calling a Petro-Canada distributor here just out of curiosity to see what the pricing is on the Duron and if it can be had in sizes other than four by four litres. I know the Arctic is in 12 by 1 litre cases, and most people who change their own oil could use that up in the course of the year. My parent's new car requires 5W-20 and my dad is doing it by the book for warranty so I can't pawn off any quantity of it on him and keep what I need. If I buy in quantity at a good price I know places I can "get rid" of it for sure reselling my extra quantity.
I hope the Duron can be had in 12 by 1 litre quantities because it's annoying to need one jug plus one litre out of another to do an oil change, where if I go buy any other oil it comes in 4.4 litre, 4.73 litre or 5 litre jugs, depending on where I get it. 4.73 is just perfect with my car for an oversized filter, comes right up to the full line exactly.
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That is one thing that is annoying about buying from a distributor - having to buy in quantity. If you own a fleet of vehicles, do a lot of driving, or have a place to store oil, it works greatr - you get good prices, and a steady suply of oil. For a guy living in a condo complex w/basically no storage suitable for oil, and one car, it doesn't make sense to have more than 1 change on hand.
Still, I would be interested in hearing what you find out for pricing and what quantities the different oils are availiable in, if you are updating this thread.....
Still, I would be interested in hearing what you find out for pricing and what quantities the different oils are availiable in, if you are updating this thread.....
The Arctic 0W-30 is $4.90 per litre in cases of 12, so $58.80 for 12 litres. It can be had in 4 by 4 litre cases but it is not a stock item most places. It's definitely good for what it advertises to do at that price point. For reference, Mobil 1's regular price is $7.54 per litre at Wal-Mart. Seeing as it is often $8.99 per litre at Petro-Canada stations, you basically get twice as much oil for a given price even if you are storing it.
The Duron Synthetic 0W-30 is $23.76 per four litre jug in cases of four, or $6.16 per litre in cases of 12, so $73.92 per case. You save 26 cents per litre buying it in jugs. The XD-3 0W-30 off the shelf is $22.86 for four litres at Wal-Mart for a PAO rather than Group III oil.
These are the prices with no discount from Dandy Oil Products in Edmonton. I am thinking I may go pick up 12 of the Duron Synthetic 0W-30. It would be nice if you could go and buy Petro-Canada off the shelf at the retail level in parts stores and stuff but they don't seem to want to do it that way.
Oh, and if you really want to, you can get the Duron in 20 litre pails, and either in 130 litre or 205 litre drums. That would be seriously into storing oil.
The Duron Synthetic 0W-30 is $23.76 per four litre jug in cases of four, or $6.16 per litre in cases of 12, so $73.92 per case. You save 26 cents per litre buying it in jugs. The XD-3 0W-30 off the shelf is $22.86 for four litres at Wal-Mart for a PAO rather than Group III oil.
These are the prices with no discount from Dandy Oil Products in Edmonton. I am thinking I may go pick up 12 of the Duron Synthetic 0W-30. It would be nice if you could go and buy Petro-Canada off the shelf at the retail level in parts stores and stuff but they don't seem to want to do it that way.
Oh, and if you really want to, you can get the Duron in 20 litre pails, and either in 130 litre or 205 litre drums. That would be seriously into storing oil.
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MG - thanks for the info. When I phoned probably 2 years ago, the Artic 0W-30 was just $4.30/litre, so it hasn't gone up too badly...still, I won't be buying in quantity anytime soon. I've got a $.25 litre of Syntec Blend 5W-30 in my closet now, and thats going to be about it for a while - it took me over 2 years to use up 3 jugs of oil that I stashed when I first got on this site, and even to me it seemed ridiculous to have oil 'sitting around' like that.
Another great deal I found on oil recently in quantity is a Francis Fuels near me that is a distributor for Chevron Oils, as you can't get them at the retail level in Ontario. They have dino Supreme 5W-30/10W-30 and Delo 10W-30/15W-40; but they also have Supreme synthetic 5W-30/10W-30 for $42.91/12-litre case, or $3.57/litre; which is a killer deal for any synthetic. Been sorely tempted by that one, and it has great cold-weather numbers as well...
Another great deal I found on oil recently in quantity is a Francis Fuels near me that is a distributor for Chevron Oils, as you can't get them at the retail level in Ontario. They have dino Supreme 5W-30/10W-30 and Delo 10W-30/15W-40; but they also have Supreme synthetic 5W-30/10W-30 for $42.91/12-litre case, or $3.57/litre; which is a killer deal for any synthetic. Been sorely tempted by that one, and it has great cold-weather numbers as well...
I found a Texaco distributor here so I am thinking about finding out what the prices of cases of 5W-30 Havoline DS are through them, because if they are a good price I probably need four jugs of it in the next two months for a few different things I have on the go and I'd like to give it a try. This could turn into an interesting game, oil by the dozen, what's a steal value wise.
No Texaco distributors near me here in Ottawa; but I can buy Havoline oil from my local Partssource store for about $3.30/litre, which isn't bad for a high-quality dino. I've bought and used it once from there already, always in stock.
The Texaco distributor wants $3.24 but you can buy individual bottles from them, so you aren't buying flat packs. If you buy flats there is a discount but I am not sure what it is. I like the look of this oil, especially how thin it is for the price, so I might go pick some up a flat from the distributor or a couple of jugs from PartSource and give it a run with AutoRX.
That Chevron Synthetic 5W-30, especially looking at the cold crank viscosity (3700 cP at -30) and borderline pumping viscosity is from another planet at $3.47 a litre. Pennzoil in 5 litre jugs from Wally World is $16.82 or $3.36 a litre so for 11 cents I would take the Chevron.
That Chevron Synthetic 5W-30, especially looking at the cold crank viscosity (3700 cP at -30) and borderline pumping viscosity is from another planet at $3.47 a litre. Pennzoil in 5 litre jugs from Wally World is $16.82 or $3.36 a litre so for 11 cents I would take the Chevron.
Hi Addy and MG,
I'm sold so far on the P-C 5W-30 Synthetic but that deal on Chevron Supreme Synthetic at Francis Fuels looks too good to pass up. I've looked at some of the specs, but I can't find too much on the Chevron. Which one would either of you choose, irregardless of price?
G.
I'm sold so far on the P-C 5W-30 Synthetic but that deal on Chevron Supreme Synthetic at Francis Fuels looks too good to pass up. I've looked at some of the specs, but I can't find too much on the Chevron. Which one would either of you choose, irregardless of price?
G.
I can't really give an answer irregardless of price. They both spec out really close, but the Petro-Canada Synthetic is more expensive and from what I have heard has shown nothing special for performance wear-wise. It does beat the Chevron for cold performance by a slim margin. Petro-Canada's passenger car oils don't seem to match up with the reputation of their HDEO.
The Chevron is good because it offers somewhat improved performance versus a conventional oil at a conventional oil price. If you are buying the Petro-Canada oil that isn't the Arctic product, you are paying almost Mobil 1 prices for something that really only has conventional oil beat for cold weather performance. Might as well look for a deal on Pennzoil Platinum six-packs at Wal-Mart and get something that offers both good value and great performance for the money.
The Chevron is good because it offers somewhat improved performance versus a conventional oil at a conventional oil price. If you are buying the Petro-Canada oil that isn't the Arctic product, you are paying almost Mobil 1 prices for something that really only has conventional oil beat for cold weather performance. Might as well look for a deal on Pennzoil Platinum six-packs at Wal-Mart and get something that offers both good value and great performance for the money.
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