coldest pour point motor oil

[mxhdroom]

Makes sense to me.

I was looking at Valvoline Syn-Power as well - the specs look good enough for what I need, plus the price is right at Wally World. Any opinions?

There doesn't seem to be a lot of difference between the P-C 5W-30 Synthetic and the 5W-30 Maximum. The MSDS are almost identical. I'm only using the synthetic in the Miata and haven't really given it a good test yet. This year will tell the tale.

Thanks for your input on this one!

G.

 

[marcel]

Does anyone have the full specs on the 0w-30 chevron.






2007 Hummer H-2

 

[MGregoir]

Chevron's 0W-30 isn't any better than the Petro-Canada Duron Synthetic 0W-30 for specs and it doesn't pass any of the newer standards as far as warranty concerns or performance.

 

[MGregoir]

https://www.cbest.chevron.com/generated/MSDS/PDS7668748.PDF

 

[mxhdroom]

I checked out Formula Shell Synthetic 5W-30 over the weekend. The specs are so close to the PC 5W-30 Synthetic (almost number for number, actually), that I thought it may be a less-expensive alternative. So I dropped my local distributor an email and they tell me it's (drum roll please) 95 dollars and change for a 12-litre case, before taxes! It works out to about 8 bucks a litre. That Chevron is looking better all the time!

G.

 

[MGregoir]

Shell doesn't move a lot of product for PCMO here and it's not a pricing thing. If anything, the pricing is a product of them having to bring it in special for those who want it. Go into Shell gas stations, etc. and you will see Pennzoil, Quaker State, and Rotella. FormulaShell is offered for transmission fluid and not much else.

If you want FormulaShell oil, it's the exact same as Canadian Tire Formula 1, including the synthetic.

Mobil 1 is down to $32.84 at Wal-Mart for 5 litres, really, as much flack as M1 catches here I can't imagine a better oil for $6.57 a litre. Cheaper than Syntec, only about $3 for five litres more than Pennzoil Platinum (although I have occasionally seen six quarts of it for $26~ in some locations). Petro-Canada's non-Arctic synthetics just don't offer anything special value wise at more than a Mobil 1 price. If I could get Mobil 1 for the US dollar price of $22.97 for 5 quarts (4.73 litres) I would certainly run it all the time.

That Chevron is a good deal at a price lower than that of most conventionals and I would look strongly at it, but above the price on that, I would be headed straight for the Mobil 1.

In other news, the regular price of GTX there is now under $14 for 5 litres. Not a big Castrol fan, but at that price I could be.

 

[marcel]

I can imagine a better oil, Duron-E 0W-40. The numbers are equal or superior to Mobil 1 and for a cheaper price($6.25/L).

 

[MGregoir]

Running a 40 weight oil for my car is not something I am going to do, especially when it is cold and the oil temperatures are down. It has good low temperature specs but at operating temperature it still leaves something to be desired.

The 0W-30 Duron Synthetic is $6.16 a litre, the Duron-E looks attractive but it is still somewhat on the thick side. When there is a Duron-E 0W-30 I will look hard at it. I'd like to find out what they added to it so it would have that low of pour point and how well it holds up in UOAs.

Mobil 1 for hardly any more per litre, how easy it is to get off the shelf, and that I only have to buy five litres rather than 12 to 16 at a time to get that price on it makes it attractive.

 

[mxhdroom]

I contacted the local Chevron distributor here to confirm that "killer" price for Supreme Synthetic, and it was too good to be true. I was quoted $45.51 (before taxes) for a six-quart case, not a 12-quart case. So, it's not much cheaper than the Formula Shell, M1 or any other common brand-name synthetic for that matter.

Too bad. I was thinking of giving it a try. I'll have to give that Duron a look.

G.

 

[MGregoir]

Yeah...for an oil change for me, there is about $2 difference between Duron 0W-30 and Mobil 1, I just can't quite justify not buying the M1 in that price range.

 

[addyguy]

mxhdroom;

Who did you contact? I spoke to Francis Fuels in the Merivale Industrial Park between Merivale and Prince of Wales. This was the e-mail, and the response:

"Please see below for pricing, all products quoted are 12x1 litre cases. These are only sold in case quantities. Hope this helps."

Rick McCagg
Francis Fuels
105-28 Concourse Gate
Nepean, ON., K2E 7T7
613-723-4567 ext 245
1-800-267-4770 ext 245

(he then quoted the prices IN my original e-mail):

"I was just looking for the general prices for motor oils – Chevron Supreme 5W/10W-30 ($31.96 & $30.65); Chevron Supreme synthetic 5W/10W-30($42.91); and Chevron Delo 400 10W-30/15W-40 ($34.97 & $34.08), and whether they can be bought in ‘retail quantities’ – ie 4-6 liters at a time, or if they HAVE to be purchased by the case."

Don't know where you got your prices from.......

 

[mxhdroom]

Hi addy,

My email reply from FF came from the same guy - Rick McCagg (I don't have access to my other email from here, but I'll post it later).

He specifically states 6 x .946 litre bottles for $45.51. Looks like a visit to FF may be in order the next time I'm in the area, just to check what the real price is.

G.

 

[addyguy]

Hate to say it, but your price sounds more realistic, given current market conditions. I even remember thinking that these prices are 'too good to be true', but I didn't persue the matter, b/c I have no place to store, or use right away, 12 quarts of oil. Let us know what you find out.......

 

[mxhdroom]

Well,it does sound more realistic given the prices of the others we've been discussing. Here's the text of that email (finally):

Hi and thank you for your request on Chevron Supreme 5w30 synthetic motor oil.

Yes this is a stock item in our warehouse and is sold in cases of 6 x .946 ml bottles. Price per case is $45.51 plus applicable taxes.

If you have any questions please contact me.


Cheers!



Rick McCagg
Francis Fuels

Any idea what W.O. Stinson charges for a case of Kendall GT-1 Synthetic? Not a bad oil either.

G.

 

[MGregoir]

Yeah. Other than Esso XD-3 Extra synthetic which is on the heavy side but a very good oil at $22.86 or so dollars for 4 litres, or Petro-Canada Arctic at $4.90 a litre for 0W-30, I really can't think of a "deal" on synthetic oils out there.

I really hope that Petro-Canada comes out with Duron-E in 0W-30. They are starting to phase out some of their CI-4+ oils as they migrate to CJ-4. I could swallow $6.16 a litre for that, but if anything costs close to or more than Mobil 1, I'll just take the Mobil 1. Known quantity.

$8.01 a litre for Chevron Supreme Synthetic.

Castrol Syntec is $8.54-$8.99 a litre by the litre, and $7.55-ish a litre in five litre jugs. Mobil 1 at $6.57 per litre in five litre jugs is very hard to beat. Pennzoil Platinum/Quaker State Q/Valvoline SynPower are hardly any less.

I really think that dollar for dollar, and the fact that it's not a quantity buy requirement for Mobil 1 from Wally World, that there really isn't a better 'deal' for oil in Canada for most applications.

-51 pour point, great cold weather performance, warranty approved for most hardware, et cetera. Of course it's not the best oil out there, but the thing is in the cold Pennzoil Platinum doesn't exactly beat it in a dominating way, and Platinum doesn't have the price advantage over Mobil 1 in Canada it does in the US.

Value wise, and being right for most applications, the M1 is pretty hard to beat right now in synthetics. Esso XD-3 Synthetic also offers an amazing value, considering it is a PAO based oil, but it is a heavy duty oil first so it is a heavy 30 and in the 0W-30 you get stuck buying it in bulk.

 

[bob_ninja]

Except that PP was on sale at Chinamart for a week or two for about $20 jugs. I *NEVER* see such sales for M1. At most M1 is discounted about 20%. It is a good oil, but expensive.

 

[addyguy]

Doesn't seem like 'Rick' can get his facts straight...LOL!

At 45.51/6-pack, the CS Syn is still only 7.54/litre, which is about the same price as M1/PP when on sale at W-M or C-T. If you look at the specs, I still think CS is the better oil5W-30)

CS: 3700cst @-30C
PP: 5100cst @-30C
M1: ?, but probably close to 3400-3600cst.

Factor in that oils other than M1 tend to show lower iron counts in UOA's, I'd make the effort to get the CS syn, IF it were avail in a 6-pack, which is a 'usable' quantity for me, personally.....

 

[MGregoir]

Good oil sales are pretty rare here, I have seen six quarts of Platinum for $26.97, and if I saw it on sale in jugs for $20, I would have picked up two or three. Can't argue with that oil at that price. Eleven out of twelve months it isn't that price, sadly.

Regular priced, Pennzoil Platinum is only about two bits cheaper per litre. Both are really good oils, but finding them on sale can be a challenge and I would consider Mobil 1 superior for cold performance, but Platinum is probably a better all-around oil.

 

[FZ1]

5 quarts M1 $22 or M1 Ep $26 at Wm....Gimmee the EP!

 

[MGregoir]

The thing is the Chevron Synthetic is six quarts, not six litres, so it is $45.51 for 5.676 litres. $8.02 a litre.

A five litre jug of oil is 5.285 quarts, making Mobil 1 nearly $1.50 a litre cheaper when buying it in five litre jugs. That is a huge price difference. $13 for 400 mL of oil is the difference.

German Castrol, regular priced in one litre bottles is $8.99 at places like PartSource. More expensive than the Mobil 1 or the Chevron oil, but it has a long track record of great performance. If you could find a Wal-Mart with the 0W-30, it would be $8.54 per litre.

The value for money of the Chevron is off at that price, if it was closer to the $5 per litre range it would be a definite buy. So many other easy to get, great performing oils close to it in that price range or significantly lower.

The Chevron slightly cheaper than individual quarts of Pennzoil Platinum. The Platinum is easier to get off the shelf, has proven performance, and you can buy it in any multiple you desire. In 4.73 litre jugs, it gets down to as little $6.31 a litre, and if you find a sale, even better.

On a pure cold weather basis, the Petro-Canada Arctic totally trumps it, and buying 12 of them at $4.90 per litre is a good deal. Space constraints suck, but it's oil that could get used up in a period of less than a year. If you really don't want it kicking around, sell it to a friend. Duron 0W-30 at $6.16 a litre looks PDG too.

I'll definitely buy some of those quarts at $3.47 though.