Cold Weather And EV's

Bingo. A lot pro EV people may have no clue what living in NY, or Queens for that matter is like. Charging an EV in NYC or Queens? LOL How about just finding a parking spot? Even that can be nearly impossible, then factor in snow, and/or alternate side parking. Oh how about a 20-ish mile ride into NYC from the Nassau Queens border, that can easily take well over 2 hours each way during rush hour. Good luck!!

still 10x faster than rush hour traffic i'm used to.... 15 minutes for 1/4 mile
 
Bingo. A lot pro EV people may have no clue what living in NY, or Queens for that matter is like. Charging an EV in NYC or Queens? LOL How about just finding a parking spot? Even that can be nearly impossible, then factor in snow, and/or alternate side parking. Oh how about a 20-ish mile ride into NYC from the Nassau Queens border, that can easily take well over 2 hours each way during rush hour. Good luck!!

In a long duration slow speed commute the edge goes to the EV, they can sit and crawl along with HVAC on for days.

Most people really have no clue what their houses consume, but mine is about 25KWH per day and with EV batteries at 77KWH and up they hold considerable energy.
 
if a EV is your primary vehicle then its an issue. but everyone i know that has an EV has 1 or 2 gas vehicles .
Yeah, kinda defeats the purpose of going greener. I test drove the model 3 Tesla and I enjoyed the instant acceleration. However, lots of road noise and the seats look like they were made for a doll house. For me, the seat bottom is too short from front-to-rear so I felt like I was sitting on a miniature park bench.
 
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Yeah, kinda defeats the purpose of going green. I test drove the model 3 Tesla and I enjoyed the instant acceleration. However, lots of road noise and the seats look like they were made for a doll house. The seat bottom is uncharacteristically short from front-to-rear so you feel like you’re sitting on a miniature park bench for children.

Who says everyone cares about green?

The only green I care about folds.
 
Who says everyone cares about green?

The only green I care about folds.
I had to re-read my own post and by golly I don’t see the word ‘everyone’ anywhere.🫤
I’m definitely not a green guy, but I would consider an EV once they’re become more viable. Too little infrastructure in my neck of the woods to justify one. ✌️
 
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This past friday, I drove 1350 miles, from SWF airport in Newburgh, NY to Scranton, PA to Jupiter, FL in one day, 19 hours with traffic in my 20 year old car. Filled up 3x, at 5 min each. No other stops.

EV's can't do that. Tesla has the Model 3 making 9-10 charge stops, some as long as 45 minutes (that's if you leave with a full battery, which I can't do as there is nowhere for me to charge up there) and 26 hours trip time. Sorry but I can't stay up that long. This turns the trip into 2, 13 hour days and gets me home a full day later.
https://www.evtripplanner.com/ says it is 20:19 and 1326.6 miles no matter what you drive. Plus 3:22 spent charging a Tesla Model 3 LR. 8 stops, none over 31 minutes.

We could have another thread on the safety of rest stops (or lack thereof) during a 20 hour drive. You claim fuel stops are only 5 minutes, but they are at least 15 minutes getting off/on interstate plus pee breaks run them up to as much as 30 minutes.

"nowhere for me to charge up there", so they don't have electricity at all? A 120V 15A outlet works. Slowly, but works, and is not "nowhere". Electric dryer outlets are often found inside garages and work even better. Best yet is an RV NEMA 14-50 outlet, also used for welders. You suffer from The Gas Station Fallacy. You believe because you have always used gas stations, depended on gas stations, therefore no EV is useful or practical without gas stations.
 
I had to re-read my own post and by golly I don’t see the word ‘everyone’ anywhere.🫤
I’m definitely not a green guy, but I would consider an EV once they’re become viable. Too little infrastructure in my neck of the woods to justify one. ✌️
You don't have electricity at your home?

Just because you always bought gasoline at gas stations does not mean you ever have to buy electricity for an EV at "infrastructure". Has been at least a year since my Tesla has seen a Supercharger. And about a year prior the previous time. Only for trips to Barber Motorsports Museum.
 
For me, being retired, an EV would be fine for just getting around town. But for going anywhere, forget it. I'm in a very rural part of western Arizona. Just to get to an Interstate I have to travel either 20 miles north, (I-40), or 90 miles south, (I-10). From here to Phoenix is 200 miles. To Las Vegas is 135 miles. To L.A. it's 365 miles... All one way. All 75 MPH, with almost nothing in between.
The Plaid is perfect for you.
 
I had to re-read my own post and by golly I don’t see the word ‘everyone’ anywhere.🫤
I’m definitely not a green guy, but I would consider an EV once they’re become viable. Too little infrastructure in my neck of the woods to justify one. ✌️

You didnt say everyone, but you did state " The purpose of going green" as in a singular goal.
 
My documented Tesla fuel cost is 3.5¢/mile. Good old savings of green folds.

Thats quite cheap, it wouldnt be that in Cali even on super nighttime rates. (it would for me because I export power, but I'm not the rule)

If I had one - I wouldn't much care if its a bit more or less.

I cant replace either of my trucks with one, but it would be nice to have a vehicle that starts out full every day, and performs like a supercar..
 
https://www.evtripplanner.com/ says it is 20:19 and 1326.6 miles no matter what you drive. Plus 3:22 spent charging a Tesla Model 3 LR. 8 stops, none over 31 minutes.

We could have another thread on the safety of rest stops (or lack thereof) during a 20 hour drive. You claim fuel stops are only 5 minutes, but they are at least 15 minutes getting off/on interstate plus pee breaks run them up to as much as 30 minutes.

"nowhere for me to charge up there", so they don't have electricity at all? A 120V 15A outlet works. Slowly, but works, and is not "nowhere". Electric dryer outlets are often found inside garages and work even better. Best yet is an RV NEMA 14-50 outlet, also used for welders. You suffer from The Gas Station Fallacy. You believe because you have always used gas stations, depended on gas stations, therefore no EV is useful or practical without gas stations.
I do my best to not waste time, 19 hours is the norm for me. I do this all the time. Also, at my office, parking is across the street from the hangar. I cannot charge there. Not possible to run a cord across the road. Nor is is possible for me to leave the door cracked open, to run the cord. 30 seconds and the Port Authority is notified. I never take 30 minutes on a break. Too much of a time waster. Come along next week if you want to see how it's done.

High speeds kills EV's range, that's why it's faster to "go slow" in an EV. No thanks.
 
You don't have electricity at your home?

Just because you always bought gasoline at gas stations does not mean you ever have to buy electricity for an EV at "infrastructure". Has been at least a year since my Tesla has seen a Supercharger. And about a year prior the previous time. Only for trips to Barber Motorsports Museum.
You didnt say everyone, but you did state " The purpose of going green" as in a singular goal.
Yep, you’re right!
 
If in a location without a place to recharge, you can do like the fellows I saw in an instructional video. First, take a long wire and connect one end to the clock tower of the local courthouse. Then, connect the other end to the business directly across the street.( i.e Western Auto) Next, you will meticulously jam a metal pole directly into your "engine". Finally, you will get a locomotive to push your car toward the wire at at least 88 mph. You will need a bolt of lightning to strike the tower at the exact moment the metal pole comes into contact with the wire so plan accordingly. This should give you barely enough power to get back home.
 
In a long duration slow speed commute the edge goes to the EV, they can sit and crawl along with HVAC on for days.

Most people really have no clue what their houses consume, but mine is about 25KWH per day and with EV batteries at 77KWH and up they hold considerable energy.

Days? most likely not. I drive an electric bus and hvac consumes half of the total energy used when it's warm, mind you, we limit the cool down to 6°C below ambient, at best. For heating, a diesel powered heater was installed to keep some range in the system during winter. These buses are designed to charge at one end of the line before the next trip up and down but if I were to stand in hot traffic for 8 hours, I doubt I'd make it to the charger. I can go 4-5 times if the hvac isn't needed.

Now, a car is smaller than a bus and wouldn't require as much energy to keep comfortable, but then it's also 6 times lighter and requires less to move aswell
 
still 10x faster than rush hour traffic i'm used to.... 15 minutes for 1/4 mile
A 1/4 mile is 1,320 feet. I'm 70 and can walk that much faster. Heck, from the back corner of my local Walmart, to the back of the opposite end of the parking lot is further than that. That's a 5 minute journey.... Even pushing a full cart.
 
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