Cold Weather And EV's

I would spend less time refueling an EV than I do with our current or previous ICE runabout vehicles. Pull it into the garage, plug it in, walk inside. No standing outside in -35°C babysitting a gas pump.

Towing or long-distance trips with the pickup is a different story.
Also what about apartment dwellers in crowded urban areas? It really is not going to work there at all. Imagine this in NYC, a real nightmare.
 
Also what about apartment dwellers in crowded urban areas? It really is not going to work there at all. Imagine this in NYC, a real nightmare.
What about them?

IF they can supply at least 110 to the car its way better, many can.

If they cant its about the same as a gas gar, you park at night with what you have and visit a fueling station when you need to??

Owing any car in NYC is a huge pain more than anything.

sep topic - What are we looking at in your avatar?
 
Also what about apartment dwellers in crowded urban areas? It really is not going to work there at all. Imagine this in NYC, a real nightmare.
Bingo. A lot pro EV people may have no clue what living in NY, or Queens for that matter is like. Charging an EV in NYC or Queens? LOL How about just finding a parking spot? Even that can be nearly impossible, then factor in snow, and/or alternate side parking. Oh how about a 20-ish mile ride into NYC from the Nassau Queens border, that can easily take well over 2 hours each way during rush hour. Good luck!!
 
Also what about apartment dwellers in crowded urban areas? It really is not going to work there at all. Imagine this in NYC, a real nightmare.
The way urban N.Y. is turning into such a crime ridden cesspool these days, (along with literally dozens of other inner cities across the country), I can't imagine leaving anything connected to an electrical outlet unattended, without someone tampering with it. Or else outright damaging or destroying it.
 
The way urban N.Y. is turning into such a crime ridden cesspool these days, (along with literally dozens of other inner cities across the country), I can't imagine leaving anything connected to an electrical outlet unattended, without someone tampering with it. Or else outright damaging or destroying it.
Sad but true.
 
Also what about apartment dwellers in crowded urban areas? It really is not going to work there at all. Imagine this in NYC, a real nightmare.
I don't live in an apartment in a crowded urban area. Owning a car in an environment like that sounds like a nightmare. Much like trying to use transit in suburban sprawl and bedroom communities is horribly inefficient or even impossible. Different tools for different jobs.
 
The place never was nice, garbage set out on sidewalks everywhere...

You can't do that in Chicago....
 
I don't live in an apartment in a crowded urban area. Owning a car in an environment like that sounds like a nightmare. Much like trying to use transit in suburban sprawl and bedroom communities is horribly inefficient or even impossible. Different tools for different jobs.
I think that is what many posters are trying to point out.

I think EVs are great in certain areas/use cases, but to predict they will be the best option for every scenario going forward is short sighted. That simply isn't how the world works.
 
The idea that you start every day with a full tank in incorrect. driving I95 from Jupiter. to Miami and back is not possible with any affordable EV. Yet any gas car can do it

agreed - Its incorrect on a multi day road trip scenario.

It's correct if you park at home and can plug in with sufficient current.


Are you saying you cannot plot any course that gets you between these two points? Or that specific route you are mentioning.
 
The idea that you start every day with a full tank in incorrect. driving I95 from Jupiter. to Miami and back is not possible with any affordable EV. Yet any gas car can do it

Seems a very doable trip.

Could you have MEANT to say without charging?

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Which brings us right back to the whole 2 vehicle problem, if you have to go anywhere that's a good distance. Which most everyone does. EV's are taking us back to the settlers...... When most people lived their entire lives within a 50 mile radius of where they were born. That's called backwards alright.

In Illinois there is a town called Half Day. It's around 30 miles from downtown Chicago. It was named that by the early settlers, because it took about a half of a day to get there from the city. Perhaps EV's would have been an improvement for them.
Curious... What is your usual routine? How many miles a day?
Personally if I have over, say 200 miles one way, I fly. But that's just me. Each to their own.
 
Curious... What is your usual routine? How many miles a day?
Personally if I have over, say 200 miles one way, I fly. But that's just me. Each to their own.
For me, being retired, an EV would be fine for just getting around town. But for going anywhere, forget it. I'm in a very rural part of western Arizona. Just to get to an Interstate I have to travel either 20 miles north, (I-40), or 90 miles south, (I-10). From here to Phoenix is 200 miles. To Las Vegas is 135 miles. To L.A. it's 365 miles... All one way. All 75 MPH, with almost nothing in between.
 
Judging by some of the comments made here, I think a significant portion of the population has forgotten just how easy and FAST it is to refuel an ICE vehicle. But you're correct about going backwards.
It’s not hard to plug in an EV at home overnight or workday for majority of EV owners and 90% of their use case. The only challenge posed by EV is efficient charging along travel routes.
 
For me, being retired, an EV would be fine for just getting around town. But for going anywhere, forget it. I'm in a very rural part of western Arizona. Just to get to an Interstate I have to travel either 20 miles north, (I-40), or 90 miles south, (I-10). From here to Phoenix is 200 miles. To Las Vegas is 135 miles. To L.A. it's 365 miles... All one way. All 75 MPH, with almost nothing in between.

Those routes are simply not challenging anymore, 10 years ago they were rough, today totally doable.

Plot them yourself and see.
 
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