Cold Weather And EV's

[Danno]

Sure, depends on what you want. Porsche, Vette, Caddy, you name it. If you want the best in any product, pony up the cash, right?

To bring you back to where this started, the discussion was on specific distances need to travel while at 75mph.

The Camry can out range a Plaid at 75mph all day long.
EPA rating for Plaid Hwy is 383 miles
EPA rating for Camry Hwy is 495 Miles
Recharge time for Plaid is probably 45 minutes
For the Camry 10 minutes.
Plaid is almost 5x the cost of the Camry.

The Plaid loses badly when you look at the original discussion.

 

[JeffKeryk]

To bring you back to where this started, the discussion was on specific distances need to travel while at 75mph.

The Camry can out range a Plaid at 75mph all day long.
EPA rating for Plaid Hwy is 383 miles
EPA rating for Camry Hwy is 495 Miles
Recharge time for Plaid is probably 45 minutes
For the Camry 10 minutes.
Plaid is almost 5x the cost of the Camry.

The Plaid loses badly when you look at the original discussion.

To bring you back to your post (#141) that I was replying to, you were speaking to prices, right?

Again, depends on what you want. Lotsa cars cost more than Camrys. Camrys are great cars. I own 2 Toyotas (Lexi) myself. I am likely to buy another fairly soon for a needy family. Hard to beat for reliability and low cost of ownership, im my experience.

 

[billt460]

Let's at least try to keep this in perspective. Everyone here keeps talking about "Supercharging" at the fastest rate possible. Even Tesla says that will greatly reduce battery life. And should only be occasionally used when absolutely necessary.

These EV batteries cost anywhere from $14,000.00 to $20,000.00 to replace. Most EV batteries will only last their rated lifespan if they are charged slowly overnight.....

Not blasting them with energy for 45 minutes every time they need charging. This totally blows away any hopes of maintaining any type of respectable timetable on a long, high mileage cross country journey.

You won't shorten the life of a Camry, or any other ICE vehicle, by filling it with the fuel nozzle pumping at its highest rate. Even if you run the tank all but dry, you can easily pump 16 gallons in 5 minutes. And you're good for another 495 miles or more. An EV doesn't even come close in comparison.

And sitting is sitting. No matter if you're doing it motionless at a EV charging station... Or going down the Interstate at 75+ MPH in your ICE vehicle. Your rear end is going to feel the same regardless.

 

[JeffKeryk]

Let's at least try to keep this in perspective. Everyone here keeps talking about "Supercharging" at the fastest rate possible. Even Tesla says that will greatly reduce battery life. And should only be occasionally used when absolutely necessary.

These EV batteries cost anywhere from $14,000.00 to $20,000.00 to replace. Most EV batteries will only last their rated lifespan if they are charged slowly overnight.....

Not blasting them with energy for 45 minutes every time they need charging. This totally blows away any hopes of maintaining any type of respectable timetable on a long, high mileage cross country journey.

You won't shorten the life of a Camry, or any other ICE vehicle, by filling it with the fuel nozzle pumping at its highest rate. Even if you run the tank all but dry, you can easily pump 16 gallons in 5 minutes. And you're good for another 495 miles or more. An EV doesn't even come close in comparison.

And sitting is sitting. No matter if you're doing it motionless at a EV charging station... Or going down the Interstate at 75+ MPH in your ICE vehicle. Your rear end is going to feel the same regardless.

I have said many times peole ask me about our Model 3. The 1st thing I ask them is, "How ya gonna charge?" Sure, Tesla has a vast Supercharger network, but if you cannot charge at home (and have 240V capability) IMO you have no business owning a Tesla. Supercharger costs are higher and who wants to go somewhere just to charge? That's worse than an ICE vehicle going to a gas station due to dwell time.
Some areas offer other charging opportunites, such as charging while at work for a subsidized rate or even free, but that is pretty specialized.
Bottom line; If I could not charge at home, I would not own an EV. Solar panels sweeten the deal, of course.

I cannot speak to other makes, but Tesla batteries last a long time; it is probably too early to have sufficient data but Tesla batteries should still have 90% capacity after 200K.
Now other EVs, such as the early Nissan Leaf, had horrible rentension.

 

[UncleDave]

Let's at least try to keep this in perspective. Everyone here keeps talking about "Supercharging" at the fastest rate possible. Even Tesla says that will greatly reduce battery life. And should only be occasionally used when absolutely necessary.

Where did Tesla say this?

 

[dlundblad]

Bring your own battery. ie Milwaukee battery heated jacket.

I joke with the guys at work that my heated jacket is like having heated seats. lol

 

[billt460]

I have said many times peole ask me about our Model 3. The 1st thing I ask them is, "How ya gonna charge?" Sure, Tesla has a vast Supercharger network, but if you cannot charge at home (and have 240V capability) IMO you have no business owning a Tesla.......

What good is charging at home going to do you, when you have to drive to Seattle?

 

[Ws6]

Exactly and you are happy with your vehicle. Nothing wrong with that, I replied just above why this doesnt work for me.
I dont eat and I dont stop, except an interstate rest room. Only time I stop is at my destination 4 Hours later. With an EV I would lose one to two hours in a travel day driving to Florida and Back home in a 12 hour period and less comfort too. Granted I suspect that C40 is more comfortable than most others, for what it's worth, I think it's awesome looking, but recharging on trips wouldnt be my thing. I wouldnt mind owning one though! But would still have my ICE SUV>
No kidding though, beautiful C40 and why I think with all the EVs coming "online" (no pun intended) Tesla is going to be hit pretty good, it would be unnatural in the business world if they were not.

That's why I bought it. C40 looks awesome (to me, too). Overall though, it's far behind the Kia I'm replacing it with, in tech, and I suspect the Kia rides far better. We will see!

 

[Ws6]

Let's at least try to keep this in perspective. Everyone here keeps talking about "Supercharging" at the fastest rate possible. Even Tesla says that will greatly reduce battery life. And should only be occasionally used when absolutely necessary.

These EV batteries cost anywhere from $14,000.00 to $20,000.00 to replace. Most EV batteries will only last their rated lifespan if they are charged slowly overnight.....

Not blasting them with energy for 45 minutes every time they need charging. This totally blows away any hopes of maintaining any type of respectable timetable on a long, high mileage cross country journey.

You won't shorten the life of a Camry, or any other ICE vehicle, by filling it with the fuel nozzle pumping at its highest rate. Even if you run the tank all but dry, you can easily pump 16 gallons in 5 minutes. And you're good for another 495 miles or more. An EV doesn't even come close in comparison.

And sitting is sitting. No matter if you're doing it motionless at a EV charging station... Or going down the Interstate at 75+ MPH in your ICE vehicle. Your rear end is going to feel the same regardless.

https://www.energy.gov/sites/prod/files/2015/01/f19/dcfc_study_fs_50k.pdf
Keep in mind this is a 2012 LEAF, notorious for battery decline as it isn't liquid cooled, and the tech is 1+ decade old.

 

[JeffKeryk]

What good is charging at home going to do you, when you have to drive to Seattle?

I would fly. There would need to be a really good reason for me to drive any distance, like there were no flights available and I had to be there.
If I drove, I would likely take our Acura or maybe the RX hybrid. I probably would not take my trusty Tundra.
I could take the Tesla; there are Tesla Superchargers all along the way. Of course, no vehicle does it all. If I coluld only have 1 car, I am not sure it would be the Tesla; I love driving the gas hog GS.

How often do you drive more than 200 miles in 1 day?

 

[Skippy722]

To bring you back to where this started, the discussion was on specific distances need to travel while at 75mph.

The Camry can out range a Plaid at 75mph all day long.
EPA rating for Plaid Hwy is 383 miles
EPA rating for Camry Hwy is 495 Miles
Recharge time for Plaid is probably 45 minutes
For the Camry 10 minutes.
Plaid is almost 5x the cost of the Camry.

The Plaid loses badly when you look at the original discussion.

After 250-300 miles I’m spending 30 minutes minimum not sitting in the car. I like driving but some of y’all are gluttons for punishment.

And let’s be real, nobody in this world is cross shopping a midsize Camry and full size Plaid, it’s kind of a ridiculous comparison. If we take something even remotely comparable in both size and performance you end up with about the same highway mileage.

 

[Danno]

After 250-300 miles I’m spending 30 minutes minimum not sitting in the car. I like driving but some of y’all are gluttons for punishment.

And let’s be real, nobody in this world is cross shopping a midsize Camry and full size Plaid, it’s kind of a ridiculous comparison. If we take something even remotely comparable in both size and performance you end up with about the same highway mileage.

So you're saying bringing a plaid into the discussion is ridiculous.

Agreed.

What are your remotely comparables?

 

[JeffKeryk]

So you're saying bringing a plaid into the discussion is ridiculous.

Agreed.

What are your remotely comparables?

Didn't he say comparing a Camry and Plaid is riduculous? "cross shopping a midsize Camry and full size Plaid, it’s kind of a ridiculous comparison"

I do agree that there isn't much out there that compares to a Plaid. I consider it a ridiculous, possibly dangerous vehicle with its incredible acceleration.
A Model 3 Performance is borderline... And that's my next car.

 

[Torrid]

I would spend less time refueling an EV than I do with our current or previous ICE runabout vehicles. Pull it into the garage, plug it in, walk inside. No standing outside in -35°C babysitting a gas pump.

Towing or long-distance trips with the pickup is a different story.

This. Mine is charging in the garage right now. I wish my GTI could fill itself with fuel in the garage.

 

[Torrid]

To bring you back to where this started, the discussion was on specific distances need to travel while at 75mph.

The Camry can out range a Plaid at 75mph all day long.
EPA rating for Plaid Hwy is 383 miles
EPA rating for Camry Hwy is 495 Miles
Recharge time for Plaid is probably 45 minutes
For the Camry 10 minutes.
Plaid is almost 5x the cost of the Camry.

The Plaid loses badly when you look at the original discussion.

Why are we comparing a premium performance car to a bog standard family sedan? The Model 3 is the comparison as the price is much closer, though the range is a similar story. It makes as much sense to compare the Model S to the Camry as it does a BMW M5 or a Cadillac CTS-V. Two majorly different purposes.

 

[Ws6]

Didn't he say comparing a Camry and Plaid is riduculous? "cross shopping a midsize Camry and full size Plaid, it’s kind of a ridiculous comparison"

I do agree that there isn't much out there that compares to a Plaid. I consider it a ridiculous, possibly dangerous vehicle with its incredible acceleration.
A Model 3 Performance is borderline... And that's my next car.

I know you're a huge tesla fan, but check out the ev6 gt. Better performance 30 miles less real range or so, way better quality.

 

[Torrid]

I know you're a huge tesla fan, but check out the ev6 gt. Better performance 30 miles less real range or so, way better quality.

I just tried pricing out an EV6 GT. Shows me 206 for range. Not that I want 2 Model 3s in my garage but I'd buy the Model 3 Performance as a second car for similar money if that's all the range is.

 

[Ws6]

I just tried pricing out an EV6 GT. Shows me 206 for range. Not that I want 2 Model 3s in my garage but I'd buy the Model 3 Performance as a second car for similar money if that's all the range is.

It gets 190mi actual at 75mph, per Car and Driver. The M3P managed 220mi.

Part of this is due to how the EPA mandated testing. The GT was mandated to do 50% of the EPA course in GT Mode.

So the range is indeed a hair less than the M3P. Real world GT owners are saying they average something like 2.1mi/kwh, but the weather lately has a bit to play there, as well.

 

[JeffKeryk]

I know you're a huge tesla fan, but check out the ev6 gt. Better performance 30 miles less real range or so, way better quality.

We got the Model 3 four years ago, Dec 2018, for wifey as she is pretty techy as head of IT Industry 4.0 at a major Silicon Valley high tech company.
I wanted to support Tesla for choosing the old GM/NUMMI plant as their factory. When NUMMI shuttered, about 9,000 people lost their jobs as well as many thousands more in local support. People lost houses and the local tax base suffered. NUMMI was the biggest employer in the area.

Tesla now has more than 20,000 employees at Fremont (far more than NUMMI at its peak) and is always hiring.
Fremont is the #1 automobile producing plant, by numbers, in America. I am proud to see a great American company leading the world in something once again.
I salute and will support Tesla.

 

[Ws6]

We got the Model 3 four years ago, Dec 2018, for wifey as she is pretty techy as head of IT Industry 4.0 at a major Silicon Valley high tech company.
I wanted to support Tesla for choosing the old GM/NUMMI plant as their factory. When NUMMI shuttered, about 9,000 people lost their jobs as well as many thousands more in local support. People lost houses and the local tax base suffered. NUMMI was the biggest employer in the area.

Tesla now has more than 20,000 employees at Fremont (far more than NUMMI at its peak) and is always hiring.
Fremont is the #1 automobile producing plant, by numbers, in America. I am proud to see a great American company leading the world in something once again.
I salute and will support Tesla.

Interesting. When I was considering them, I was interested only in a Texas car, as the Fremont Teslas have trash paint and bodywork. But Im a true neutral, so I don't really care what they stand or stood for to others. Heck, we have people in EV threads talking about how awesome Hitler's car company is, lol!