So my moms Dodge journey specs 5w-20 with the Chrysler ms6395 requirement. Problem for me is that the oils I usually use don't carry this rating. It seems like dexos1 is a fairly strict rating and many oils carry it. Is there any reason to strictly stick with the Chrysler rated oils? I suppose it's potential grounds for warranty voiding. I'd really like to use magnatec 5w20 but of course it doesn't have the rating.
Chrysler ms-6395, not very common?
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Mobil Super, Pennzoil Yellow Bottle, Valvoline White Bottle, and Quaker State Green Bottle all are MS-6395 spec in their 5W-20 weight. Those are some of the most commonly available oils at retailers, at least in the US.
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I think it's worth sticking to it during the warranty, I am with my Cherokee. Saw someone on a JK forum get denied an engine since a Mopar filter wasn't used. Not sure about the outcome, as I know legally they can't, but it's an easily avoided fight to stick with stuff with the rating.
I think it's worth sticking to it during the warranty, I am with my Cherokee. Saw someone on a JK forum get denied an engine since a Mopar filter wasn't used. Not sure about the outcome, as I know legally they can't, but it's an easily avoided fight to stick with stuff with the rating.
I'd stick with the spec while under warranty as well just in case. I guess I don't really understand why you are having a hard time with it. There a quite a lot of commonly available conventional, blends and full syns available in 5w20 that meet the spec. I've ran PUP and Valvoline Synpower both in mine. Easy to get at WM, along with a bunch of others. If you want to stick with the Castrol brand, Edge meets the spec.
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I do see that QSUD also carries it. That always seems to be a good performing oil for the price. I thought I looked at edge and saw it didn't have the spec but it must have just been magnatec.
QSUD is good stuff too, but both Edge and Edge EP meet it in 5w20.
Castrol Edge 5w20 PDS sheet
Castrol Edge EP
I do see that QSUD also carries it. That always seems to be a good performing oil for the price. I thought I looked at edge and saw it didn't have the spec but it must have just been magnatec.
QSUD is good stuff too, but both Edge and Edge EP meet it in 5w20.
Castrol Edge 5w20 PDS sheet
Castrol Edge EP
I don't think it's a hard spec to meet, as many conventional SN oils meet it. But I think it's time consuming, which is why many oils don't bother to carry it.
From: https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=3174751
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Chrysler’s latest revision to the MS-6395 specification calls for a field trial spanning multiple seasons over two years.
I'm sure Magnatec is a suitable quality oil, and yes I think Dexos is a higher level standard to reach, but while under warranty I would use a MS-6395 approved oil. I think just about every Valvoline product carries it, from VWB mineral through MaxLife / DuraBlend semi-synthetic to full synthetic SynPower.
Hardly any Castrol products in Australia carry the MS-6395 spec, which I think is silly, as I see more and more new Jeeps on the road everyday. I assume most of these will be running either dealer Mopar oil or Valvoline oil.
From: https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=3174751
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Chrysler’s latest revision to the MS-6395 specification calls for a field trial spanning multiple seasons over two years.
I'm sure Magnatec is a suitable quality oil, and yes I think Dexos is a higher level standard to reach, but while under warranty I would use a MS-6395 approved oil. I think just about every Valvoline product carries it, from VWB mineral through MaxLife / DuraBlend semi-synthetic to full synthetic SynPower.
Hardly any Castrol products in Australia carry the MS-6395 spec, which I think is silly, as I see more and more new Jeeps on the road everyday. I assume most of these will be running either dealer Mopar oil or Valvoline oil.
QSUD 0w20 carries it, running it in the Avenger now.
ONE thing should be remembered . . . that oil specs from OEMs do change from time to time. The particular OEM spec was in place at the time the vehicle was produced, but could well have been upgraded/superceded with later model years. This particular spec was for 2013 model year and possibly for several model years prior to that.
The reason that many "common" dino oils meet it is that it could well be "a weak spec", as mentioned, at least in more recent times. Dexos1 is a semi-syn spec, not a dino spec, for example. Dexos1 replaced TWO GM oil specs, including an earlier syn spec, I believe, plus a prior dino spec, too.
Another thing is that OEM oil specs are "minimum specs" for warranty coverage AND what the OEM used to do the EPA emissions and fuel economy certifications with (especially viscosity!). Chrysler used to spec a Mobil1 product for SRT vehicles, but went to a Pennzoil product Upon looking at Virgin Oil Analysis to compare the additives in each, the Pennzoil product had a different certification related to longer catalytic converter life (from what I found) . . . again, warranty and emissions issues.
Check the various websites for the oils you would like to use. Check the approvals THERE as to change what's on the bottles can be MUCH harder to get done.
The reason that many "common" dino oils meet it is that it could well be "a weak spec", as mentioned, at least in more recent times. Dexos1 is a semi-syn spec, not a dino spec, for example. Dexos1 replaced TWO GM oil specs, including an earlier syn spec, I believe, plus a prior dino spec, too.
Another thing is that OEM oil specs are "minimum specs" for warranty coverage AND what the OEM used to do the EPA emissions and fuel economy certifications with (especially viscosity!). Chrysler used to spec a Mobil1 product for SRT vehicles, but went to a Pennzoil product Upon looking at Virgin Oil Analysis to compare the additives in each, the Pennzoil product had a different certification related to longer catalytic converter life (from what I found) . . . again, warranty and emissions issues.
Check the various websites for the oils you would like to use. Check the approvals THERE as to change what's on the bottles can be MUCH harder to get done.
If you like Mobil products and have a warranty you're concerned about use Super, which is the only XOM product that meets the MS6395 spec. You can also use PYB, PP, and PU if you like Pennzoil, those products meet the MS6395 spec.
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