American cars will sell because they,re American, big boy toys, that show off we are the richest country in the world. We are not just a superpower, we are the "SUPERPOWER". Who cares if we have another ice age, our SUV's got heated seats. Ever watch those foreigh films where everbody is driving little Opals and Fiats around, meanwhile we were driving 25' Cadillacs. More things change, the more they stay the same. P.S Everybody said gas would be $4 by Christmas, now its by Spring, come May it will be by Summer.
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Originally Posted By: lovcom
When are American's going to wake up, wise up and get real?
When people stop graciously handing over their money for the cars and trucks they're making now.
The Japanese and European brands aren't necessarily "more in touch with the times." They've just had their success in the small car markets while the American brands have their success in trucks, SUVs and large cars.
Yea, MOSTLY the $$ Americans hand over for their excessive SUVs and big trucks are on CREDIT...stupid, stupid, stupid because this often mortgages their futures, and those of their families.
And you are wrong, in that the Europeans are more in touch because most of them drive small dinky cars that sip gas or diesel....and as to the so called "success" that America has with big SUVs and trucks, where is that "success"? Ford, GM & Dodge want to know because those three companies are eating Shiiit with sales of thos vehicles...so much for your so called "success".
Originally Posted By: lovcom
When are American's going to wake up, wise up and get real?
When people stop graciously handing over their money for the cars and trucks they're making now.
The Japanese and European brands aren't necessarily "more in touch with the times." They've just had their success in the small car markets while the American brands have their success in trucks, SUVs and large cars.
Yea, MOSTLY the $$ Americans hand over for their excessive SUVs and big trucks are on CREDIT...stupid, stupid, stupid because this often mortgages their futures, and those of their families.
And you are wrong, in that the Europeans are more in touch because most of them drive small dinky cars that sip gas or diesel....and as to the so called "success" that America has with big SUVs and trucks, where is that "success"? Ford, GM & Dodge want to know because those three companies are eating Shiiit with sales of thos vehicles...so much for your so called "success".
Originally Posted By: Panzerman
American cars will sell because they,re American, big boy toys, that show off we are the richest country in the world. We are not just a superpower, we are the "SUPERPOWER". Who cares if we have another ice age, our SUV's got heated seats. Ever watch those foreigh films where everbody is driving little Opals and Fiats around, meanwhile we were driving 25' Cadillacs. More things change, the more they stay the same. P.S Everybody said gas would be $4 by Christmas, now its by Spring, come May it will be by Summer.
When gas goes north of $4 a gallon, YOU will be one of thousands hoping to dump their big gas guzzling vehicles, and then you will eat your words which you wrote above and feel lots of pain in your stomach for having said them. Your arrogance is what Europeans refer to as "the Ugly American".
American cars will sell because they,re American, big boy toys, that show off we are the richest country in the world. We are not just a superpower, we are the "SUPERPOWER". Who cares if we have another ice age, our SUV's got heated seats. Ever watch those foreigh films where everbody is driving little Opals and Fiats around, meanwhile we were driving 25' Cadillacs. More things change, the more they stay the same. P.S Everybody said gas would be $4 by Christmas, now its by Spring, come May it will be by Summer.
When gas goes north of $4 a gallon, YOU will be one of thousands hoping to dump their big gas guzzling vehicles, and then you will eat your words which you wrote above and feel lots of pain in your stomach for having said them. Your arrogance is what Europeans refer to as "the Ugly American".
Originally Posted By: lovcom
When gas goes north of $4 a gallon, YOU will be one of thousands hoping to dump their big gas guzzling vehicles, and then you will eat your words which you wrote above and feel lots of pain in your stomach for having said them. Your arrogance is what Europeans refer to as "the Ugly American".
I agree that gas prices will be on the rise. I agree that in the (quite possibly near) future people will be trading in their trucks and suvs for more efficient transportation. Can't we leave it alone and let things run their course? If it really is as you say it is then it'll make no difference in 10 years; all of this bickering is for nothing.
When gas goes north of $4 a gallon, YOU will be one of thousands hoping to dump their big gas guzzling vehicles, and then you will eat your words which you wrote above and feel lots of pain in your stomach for having said them. Your arrogance is what Europeans refer to as "the Ugly American".
I agree that gas prices will be on the rise. I agree that in the (quite possibly near) future people will be trading in their trucks and suvs for more efficient transportation. Can't we leave it alone and let things run their course? If it really is as you say it is then it'll make no difference in 10 years; all of this bickering is for nothing.
Oh, and Europeans need to realize...if they weren't paying twice as much for gas as we are then they'd be driving bigger, more powerful, less efficient cars as well.
This kind of thing is born out of necessity, not your tired prophecy.
This kind of thing is born out of necessity, not your tired prophecy.
Who cares what Europeans call what, they only call us friends when they need something or saved. We are arrogant and we earned the right to be. I differ on the future, I think this hybrid fad is just that. Americans will always sell big cars with big motors and American goverment(with a nice push from the oil companies) and the people will feed them. I think you will see a glut of oil within 10 years. The oil producers are building newer refineries with increased production, they are lookig at alternate sites for oil, and if push comes to shove, Iam sure we will tap into oil and screw the wildlife. Hey,its the American way. Thats if the Chinese dont fight with us over oil, before that.
Originally Posted By: Panzerman
Who cares what Europeans call what, they only call us friends when they need something or saved. We are arrogant and we earned the right to be. I differ on the future, I think this hybrid fad is just that. Americans will always sell big cars with big motors and American goverment(with a nice push from the oil companies) and the people will feed them. I think you will see a glut of oil within 10 years. The oil producers are building newer refineries with increased production, they are lookig at alternate sites for oil, and if push comes to shove, Iam sure we will tap into oil and screw the wildlife. Hey,its the American way. Thats if the Chinese dont fight with us over oil, before that.
Americans have "earned the right to be arrogant"?
Any idiot can show a little success and act "arrogant", but it takes a really special person, a real man, to show success and act humble...now that takes class. So what type of American are you?
And you are correct, that the biggest reason the Europeans drive many more efficient cars is because gas is 2-3 times higher there, yes, correct, but this does NOT change the fact, that they're more in touch with economy, the environment, and the future.
And do you read the news? Did you attend college? Are you smart? Because if you are, then you too see that the United States is sliding down, down, down, in financial standing, military power, and world influence.
Who cares what Europeans call what, they only call us friends when they need something or saved. We are arrogant and we earned the right to be. I differ on the future, I think this hybrid fad is just that. Americans will always sell big cars with big motors and American goverment(with a nice push from the oil companies) and the people will feed them. I think you will see a glut of oil within 10 years. The oil producers are building newer refineries with increased production, they are lookig at alternate sites for oil, and if push comes to shove, Iam sure we will tap into oil and screw the wildlife. Hey,its the American way. Thats if the Chinese dont fight with us over oil, before that.
Americans have "earned the right to be arrogant"?
Any idiot can show a little success and act "arrogant", but it takes a really special person, a real man, to show success and act humble...now that takes class. So what type of American are you?
And you are correct, that the biggest reason the Europeans drive many more efficient cars is because gas is 2-3 times higher there, yes, correct, but this does NOT change the fact, that they're more in touch with economy, the environment, and the future.
And do you read the news? Did you attend college? Are you smart? Because if you are, then you too see that the United States is sliding down, down, down, in financial standing, military power, and world influence.
First off, everyone just cool down. The owner is pretty clear about the standards here, and if it heats up too far, we'll find an alternate way to cool it down...
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I think this hybrid fad is just that.
. Toyota has been selling hybrids here in the US for almost eight years; several years longer in the world market. Even after introducing five additional models beyond the Prius (Camry Hybrid, Highlander Hybird, Lexus RX, GS, and LS), Toyota can still not get enough cars into the market to satisfy the still-increasing demand for them.
That's a pretty long-lived fad.
As to this:
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I think this hybrid fad is just that.
. Toyota has been selling hybrids here in the US for almost eight years; several years longer in the world market. Even after introducing five additional models beyond the Prius (Camry Hybrid, Highlander Hybird, Lexus RX, GS, and LS), Toyota can still not get enough cars into the market to satisfy the still-increasing demand for them.
That's a pretty long-lived fad.
Hemi's were hot selling too at one time. My neighbor has a hybrid and gets a tax credit(which I dont appreciate or think is fair for the goverment to use my money to endorse a type or make of car). Now in Florida they are giving all kinds of special rights out for hybrid owners such as parking spaces in front, use of HOV lanes and cash rewards for purchasing them. These things do burn me up and I think are unfair. What happens to these hybrids when the batteries are used up. My neighor tells me 8 years, he trades his ever 4 to avoid the trouble, seems to me The hybrid is the best marketing thing around and it has the endorsement of most goverments. Seems to me we had this electric car "FAD" before and once the oil companies get backed aginst the wall they just make gas affordable and everyone says "Hey I want a big powerful car with a big motor,again"(SUVs appeared after the last big gas scare) Iam not that old but old enough to remember this whole senario once before. P.S Mr. Lovcom why are you still living in this country, better get off the ship now,then you can go to Europe with the rest of them and talk about how to keep the sky from falling.
Originally Posted By: Panzerman
Hemi's were hot selling too at one time.
And they aren't doing so hot now with gas at $3/gal, and headed nowhere but up. I mean, I'd love to see them go back down, but really, show us some realistic evidence that oil prices might head the other way.
Originally Posted By: Panzerman
My neighbor has a hybrid and gets a tax credit(which I dont appreciate or think is fair for the goverment to use my money to endorse a type or make of car). Now in Florida they are giving all kinds of special rights out for hybrid owners such as parking spaces in front, use of HOV lanes and cash rewards for purchasing them. These things do burn me up and I think are unfair.
The HOV lane thing is cool, but I don't live anywhere near any HOV lanes. And if you don't like the rest of the incentive package, write to your representative and elect one who will vote against such.
Originally Posted By: Panzerman
What happens to these hybrids when the batteries are used up.
Turn the old one in and install a new one. They are quite recyclable. Why is this some big mystery as compared to any other major system refurb that other cars occasionally need? The battery can by rebuilt, just like an engine or transmission. And I love how the hybrid haters howl long and loud about the big hole in the ground that is supposedly left after mining the metals for the batteries. But they forget to howl about the hole in the ground that gets dug to mine the metals for your huge block V-8 engines. Why is that? Because this "basis" for condemning hybrids is nonsense.
Originally Posted By: Panzerman
My neighor tells me 8 years, he trades his ever 4 to avoid the trouble, seems to me The hybrid is the best marketing thing around and it has the endorsement of most goverments.
Your neighbor is silly. The batteries are usually lasting as long as the rest of the car, with some rare exceptions.
Originally Posted By: Panzerman
Seems to me we had this electric car "FAD" before and once the oil companies get backed aginst the wall they just make gas affordable and everyone says "Hey I want a big powerful car with a big motor,again"(SUVs appeared after the last big gas scare)
First off, hybrids are NOT electric cars. They are gasoline powered cars that can re-use energy usually wasted in your brakes. Second, the electric cars dies off swiftly and surely, and for good reason. None of the reasons for the EV's demise apply to the hybrids, AND as I said above, the hybrids are still going strong and stronger. If they were going to fade out, I think the fade would have started by now. It hasn't.
Originally Posted By: Panzerman
Iam not that old but old enough to remember this whole senario once before. P.S Mr. Lovcom why are you still living in this country, better get off the ship now,then you can go to Europe with the rest of them and talk about how to keep the sky from falling.
I remember the demise of EVs too. Nothing like what the hybrids are experiencing. I also remember gas at less than $0.50 per gallon. Oddly enough, we never have made it back to that level (even accounting for inflation). I remember 1973, 1979, ... and of course, the post-Katrina explosion.
Show some respect for lovcom, even if you disagree with him. This is a free country and he's as entitled to have and state his opinion, and live here, as you are. Yes, I have the right to speak to this, having served as a Marine for almost three decades. Clear?
Hemi's were hot selling too at one time.
And they aren't doing so hot now with gas at $3/gal, and headed nowhere but up. I mean, I'd love to see them go back down, but really, show us some realistic evidence that oil prices might head the other way.
Originally Posted By: Panzerman
My neighbor has a hybrid and gets a tax credit(which I dont appreciate or think is fair for the goverment to use my money to endorse a type or make of car). Now in Florida they are giving all kinds of special rights out for hybrid owners such as parking spaces in front, use of HOV lanes and cash rewards for purchasing them. These things do burn me up and I think are unfair.
The HOV lane thing is cool, but I don't live anywhere near any HOV lanes. And if you don't like the rest of the incentive package, write to your representative and elect one who will vote against such.
Originally Posted By: Panzerman
What happens to these hybrids when the batteries are used up.
Turn the old one in and install a new one. They are quite recyclable. Why is this some big mystery as compared to any other major system refurb that other cars occasionally need? The battery can by rebuilt, just like an engine or transmission. And I love how the hybrid haters howl long and loud about the big hole in the ground that is supposedly left after mining the metals for the batteries. But they forget to howl about the hole in the ground that gets dug to mine the metals for your huge block V-8 engines. Why is that? Because this "basis" for condemning hybrids is nonsense.
Originally Posted By: Panzerman
My neighor tells me 8 years, he trades his ever 4 to avoid the trouble, seems to me The hybrid is the best marketing thing around and it has the endorsement of most goverments.
Your neighbor is silly. The batteries are usually lasting as long as the rest of the car, with some rare exceptions.
Originally Posted By: Panzerman
Seems to me we had this electric car "FAD" before and once the oil companies get backed aginst the wall they just make gas affordable and everyone says "Hey I want a big powerful car with a big motor,again"(SUVs appeared after the last big gas scare)
First off, hybrids are NOT electric cars. They are gasoline powered cars that can re-use energy usually wasted in your brakes. Second, the electric cars dies off swiftly and surely, and for good reason. None of the reasons for the EV's demise apply to the hybrids, AND as I said above, the hybrids are still going strong and stronger. If they were going to fade out, I think the fade would have started by now. It hasn't.
Originally Posted By: Panzerman
Iam not that old but old enough to remember this whole senario once before. P.S Mr. Lovcom why are you still living in this country, better get off the ship now,then you can go to Europe with the rest of them and talk about how to keep the sky from falling.
I remember the demise of EVs too. Nothing like what the hybrids are experiencing. I also remember gas at less than $0.50 per gallon. Oddly enough, we never have made it back to that level (even accounting for inflation). I remember 1973, 1979, ... and of course, the post-Katrina explosion.
Show some respect for lovcom, even if you disagree with him. This is a free country and he's as entitled to have and state his opinion, and live here, as you are. Yes, I have the right to speak to this, having served as a Marine for almost three decades. Clear?
Time will tell, I just dont think the oil companies will be content to sell less gas and as crazy as the Arab world seems, Opec knows the hand that feeds it and will do what it has to, to sell oil, even if its more for less. A billon dollars is a billon dollars, although littler, they still like American dollars. I have even heard Petroleum comany sponsered ommericials, with the gas producers deciding to build newer refineries with triple production capacities, tells me they know more than both of us. Although you tell me that Hybrids cant be made fast enough to meet the demand, I wish to note how many Hybrids Toyota could be making if they werent building new plants in Texas, to produce Tundras, what you consider to be the gas guzzling dinosaurs, that no one wants. Its my opinion, but I think the hybrid is a band-aide to the gas prices. They may have been around 8 years but not in the U.S, until they make a big vehicle, high performance, I dont think they will capture the U.S markets. I would be more convinced of turbo diesels taking the gas market. Oil companies win and consumers are happy. I know my neighbor is silly, or I had my suspicions.
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