Champ XL vs. "new" Fram Ultra?

[The Critic]

I need to restock my inventory of 7317 and 9972 sized filters.

I was previously using OE at $4-$5/filter, but am open to other options. These filters will be going into out-of-warranty vehicles for an OCI between 5-10K.

Primarily looking for value - do not mind spending a bit more. How are the Champ XL's compared to the "new" Ultra's? My price on the Champ is $4, Ultra is $7-8.

 

[blufeb95]

Champ XL is most comperable to a Fram Tough Gaurd.

 

[Bellavita]

blufeb95 has it right. Below is a comparison of performance, price and construction. The primary difference is the Tough Guard uses fiber end caps on the media and the Champ XL uses steel.

 

[Jimmy_Russells]

XL seems like a no brainer to me in this scenario

 

[Bellavita]

Here's the same comparison with the Ultra included.

 

[daves87rs]

Ultra for sure. Nothing but god luck with those if I don’t use OE

 

[The Critic]

blufeb95 has it right. Below is a comparison of performance, price and construction. The primary difference is the Tough Guard uses fiber end caps on the media and the Champ XL uses steel.


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How confident are we about the 99% at 20 micron rating?

 

[Ed_Flecko]

How confident are we about the 99% at 20 micron rating?

For which filter?

Ed

 

[The Critic]

For which filter?

Ed

Sorry, for the Champ XL. Tech line just confirmed 98.7% at 20 microns.

 

[JTK]

I've been running Champ XLs on my 2022 Nissan Frontier @ a 5000mi OCI. They're a nicely constructed filter. Mine have a black ADBV, which to me is nitrile vs silicone, but I don't really care either way. I think all in, I was around $5/ea for these through RA.

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/champ-ph2867xl-cut-open.365106/

 

[The Critic]

I've been running Champ XLs on my 2022 Nissan Frontier @ a 5000mi OCI. They're a nicely constructed filter. Mine have a black ADBV, which to me is nitrile vs silicone, but I don't really care either way. I think all in, I was around $5/ea for these through RA.

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/champ-ph2867xl-cut-open.365106/

Black ADBV? That’s interesting.

 

[tyman]

blufeb95 has it right. Below is a comparison of performance, price and construction. The primary difference is the Tough Guard uses fiber end caps on the media and the Champ XL uses steel.


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Any way to update that document? The 2867 is only 3.57 at RockAuto.

https://www.rockauto.com/en/moreinfo.php?pk=11192597

 

[tyman]

Black ADBV? That’s interesting.

Mhm considering:

Champ XL synthetic oil filters are designed to work with today's engines that operate at higher temperatures with longer drain intervals that are specified by the engine manufacturers.

Features & Benefits:

• High-efficiency synthetic blend media filters out even the smallest particulate
• Durable steel shell (where applicable)
• Specifically developed for use with synthetic oil products
• High capacity provides longer service intervals
• Protects engines in high temperature conditions
• High-Strength Steel Baseplate
• High lubricity gasket
• Steel End Caps and Silicone Anti-Drainback Valves
• Designed to meet or exceed engine requirements

 

[Bellavita]

BTW, being able to get a Champ XL for $4.00 is an outstanding price and value for the performance and construction.

 

[The Critic]

BTW, being able to get a Champ XL for $4.00 is an outstanding price and value for the performance and construction.

But not if it contains a Nitrile ADBV.

 

[Bellavita]

Any way to update that document? The 2867 is only 3.57 at RockAuto.

https://www.rockauto.com/en/moreinfo.php?pk=11192597

Hi Tyman,
I can but here's what I struggle with and perhaps you can share your thoughts. Included in the price from Rockauto is $4.99 for shipping. I do this so that I'm accurate in what people will actually pay if they buy the filter alone as if they went into a retail store. If a person bundles some other items I've found the shipping charge stays constant.

 

[Bellavita]

But not if it contains a Nitrile ADBV.

That is true but then it is not the Champ XL. The base Champ oil filter uses a nitrile ADBV, efficiency is reduced to 95% and mileage life is reduced to 5k from the 15k of the XL

 

[The Critic]

That is true but then it is not the Champ XL. The base Champ oil filter uses a nitrile ADBV, efficiency is reduced to 95% and mileage life is reduced to 5k from the 15k of the XL

Refer to @JTK 's comment in post #10. He mentions running XL's, but his part # has a Black ADBV.

 

[Bellavita]

Sorry, for the Champ XL. Tech line just confirmed 98.7% at 20 microns.

Hi The Critic,
The 98.7% is very close to a past BITOG posting where a member called Champ and was told the XL is at 99% at 20 microns. There is also a YouTube that shows the 99% stated on the packaging but no micron value. Here are the links:

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/champ-xl-oil-filter-efficiency.351854/

 

[Bellavita]

Refer to @JTK 's comment in post #10. He mentions running XL's, but his part # has a Black ADBV.

That is very strange and I don't have an answer. There is a 1 year old YouTube showing the ADBV is silicone, the Champ XL advertising and RockAuto descriptions also state silicone too. Can a silicone ADBV be black in addition to the orange color we typically see? I believe the Supertech's silicone ADBVs are blue.