Can you tell by looking through the holes/louvers if the media is wire backed? I knew the Titanium would morph as some point.
Champ XL vs. "new" Fram Ultra?
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No idea. Will have to look up some threads and videos tomorrow to compare and get back to you.
@53' Stude has kindly agreed to cut open the filter that's coming off my car so if he's fine with it - will send this one in too.
Can you tell by looking through the holes/louvers if the media is wire backed? I knew the Titanium would morph as some point.
Thought maybe the wires might be hard to see but in this cut-open thread from 2020 - it's clear as day
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/cut-open-fram-titanium-fs7317-virgin.328260
At least in my eyes with a flashlight, I don't see any wire backed media in any of the 4 filters from today
.Getting the old ultra was the whole point of the purchase!
Crappy of first brands to still have it listed on their product description under "media"
https://www.fram.com/products/oil-filters/titanium
https://www.fram.com/products/oil-filters/titanium
The Fram Titanium FS7317 I bought last summer was wire backed ... so looks like the Titanium is going the way of the non-wire backed Ultra.
If you want wire backed media with high efficiency, looks like the Fram Endurance is now that filter.https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/aap-fram-titanium.357549/
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The fiasco continues.The Fram Titanium FS7317 I bought last summer was wire backed ... so looks like the Titanium is going the way of the non-wire backed Ultra.
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/aap-fram-titanium.357549/
The Fram Titanium FS7317 I bought last summer was wire backed ... so looks like the Titanium is going the way of the non-wire backed Ultra.
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/aap-fram-titanium.357549/
It doesn't make sense, it's even mentioned on the packaging!
Because it's in the midest of the change over. Same thing happened with the Ultra with respect to the box and website info keeping up with the design change.
I personally don't find that to be acceptable. It's false advertising, especially when it's priced at a premium.
Can't do anything about it though. AAP is 60 miles away so they're not getting returned.
I emailed the two photos from post #44 to the techical hotline at first brands asking if it should have the metal screen back.
This was the response:
Picture attached to the email:
This was the response:
Picture attached to the email:
Fram Tech Support… Home of the “black” silicone ADBV bull shiitake! They’re as bad as Purolator!
Unfortunately you have to look before you buy-I’ve found a few metal backed Titaniums at slow moving AAPs in older, less affluent areas where people won’t spend $10+ for an oil filter.
I have 6 of the Champ XL's coming in from rockauto in the next day or two.
Having to prove them wrong about the titanium takes enough energy.
Now we're supposed to start burning black ADBVs to see if my email or The Critic's email about nitrile is the correct one..........?
In the tech dept's defence, it does kind of look like there might be some blurry pixels of metal when you zoom into the second photo of the filter with the louvers in post 44. It doesn't justify saying all 4 filters are fine though. The photo with the holes is as clear as day so will try to have one of each cut so the matter is settled.
Life is too short for these shenanigans.
If you're saying the Titanium with the louvers looks to be wire backed, it's not. If the wire backing was there, it would be real obvious in that photo.
So if you decide to order from rockauto right now, you should get the ecore version with the orange silicone ADBV
Kind of wanted a black one to burn it and see who got the correct response from their tech hotline
Good to know. I sent the one with the louvers to 53' Stude. Was starting to think I should have sent one of each.
Put 3 Champ PH2867XL's in a rock order this week. They arrived today. Black ADBV otherwise identical to the case I purchased last June with rock. I run them on my Type-R without any issues or concern. 5k-ish OCI, never an issue. I stopped using the Ultra's after the new design came and briefly ran the Royal Purple equivalent. I am happy with the Champ's for the intentionally short-ish intervals I run in that car.
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