Castrol vs Mobil 1 0W-40

[Nickdfresh]

Originally Posted By: dlundblad
Originally Posted By: Nickdfresh
Originally Posted By: edyvw
Originally Posted By: 4WD
Sure - they have research teams to allocate - that runs from PhD's to the taxi driver on the PoP test plan. OEM's with different paths they try to follow ... Agencies and regulations ...
Oil companies are stuck in the middle of conflicts over OEM specs and the US EPA ... They have to decide which rabbit to chase - don't seem it's BMW or Chrysler in the case of Mobil (for now) ... Doubt they would buy anything regardless...
Companies are testing for oils that will be spec'd for upcoming engines - playing to many standards in the USA - but what if the EPA would of continued to clamp down only on fuel economy and emissions ... (Election was assumed wrong).
Don't think the EPA can't walk on any standard they want to with certain folks in power.
The top 4 (or more) oil companies produce aviation and industrial lubricants - they can all meet OEM 'standards' if they have a reason to do so ...
So which oil would I pick ? Neither - don't have anything to put uber wide range multi-vis oil in ...

Man I have no idea what you talking about.
Mobil 1 0W40 does not have LL-01. Plain and simple. Other do have, plain and simple.
EPA does not have to do anything with the fact that Mobil 1 does not have LL-01, which is now most stringent oil spec. for gasoline engines. Mobil 1 IMO has issues with GTL base that they just moved to and that is reason for no LL-01. That is why Mobil 1 still offers VISOM version in Europe.


Apparently you don't know what you're talking about either, because you keep posting the same wrong speculative garbage over and over. The Visom Mobil 1 in North America dropped the LL-01 prior to it becoming GTL and you were told this in a previous post, you been posting this tripe over and over...


You beat me to it.


It's not the only topic he posits his speculations as some sort of fact...

 

[4wd]

You like simple - I like management with profits in mind: no oil company wants to have every dang certificate that these car companies throw out there. They have to pick and choose ... It is costly to put many people making $200k/year working on every one of these companies belief system ... Change something? What else got impacted ?
The stuff on oil specifications.com is exhausting ...
What you miss is the majority of the world does not care about BMW's views on lubricants ...
Many are working on fuel economy and emissions ... Not truck oil range for mid sized cars ...

 

[edyvw]

Originally Posted By: dlundblad
Edyvw, we've been over this before.

Mobil 1 lost the BMW spec prior to the GTL transition.

If you do your homework, they lost the BMW spec November 2015. The new Mobil 1 0w40 data sheet (without the BMW spec) was posted online and/ or written April 2016.

VISOM spec. is still available in EU with LL-01:
Mobil1 0W40 VISOM

 

[edyvw]

Originally Posted By: 4WD
You like simple - I like management with profits in mind: no oil company wants to have every dang certificate that these car companies throw out there. They have to pick and choose ... It is costly to put many people making $200k/year working on every one of these companies belief system ... Change something? What else got impacted ?
The stuff on oil specifications.com is exhausting ...
What you miss is the majority of the world does not care about BMW's views on lubricants ...
Many are working on fuel economy and emissions ... Not truck oil range for mid sized cars ...

Geez man, Mobil 1 is making oil for Euro spec. car. They obtained Porsche approval, VW, MB etc.
Getting approval is extremely cheap and fast process, I have been involved in one.
They are not making universal oil that is applicable to all cars. 0W40 has its targeted audience, and those are owners of Euro cars. So it is big f deal if it cannot meet most stringent specification.
I posted above. It is telling that Mobil 1 still does not offer this oil in Europe.

 

[Nickdfresh]

Originally Posted By: edyvw
Originally Posted By: dlundblad
Edyvw, we've been over this before.

Mobil 1 lost the BMW spec prior to the GTL transition.

If you do your homework, they lost the BMW spec November 2015. The new Mobil 1 0w40 data sheet (without the BMW spec) was posted online and/ or written April 2016.

VISOM spec. is still available in EU with LL-01:
Mobil1 0W40 VISOM


That doesn't imply causation of GTL making it non-LL-01 in NA...

I suspect there are other, perhaps political or corporate things going on...

 

[edyvw]

Originally Posted By: Nickdfresh
Originally Posted By: edyvw
Originally Posted By: dlundblad
Edyvw, we've been over this before.

Mobil 1 lost the BMW spec prior to the GTL transition.

If you do your homework, they lost the BMW spec November 2015. The new Mobil 1 0w40 data sheet (without the BMW spec) was posted online and/ or written April 2016.

VISOM spec. is still available in EU with LL-01:
Mobil1 0W40 VISOM


That doesn't imply causation of GTL making it non-LL-01 in NA...

I suspect there are other, perhaps political or corporate things going on...

Agree on that. But FS is not available in Europe at all, and I THINK that moving to GTL is reason for that.
Also, I have not seen VISOM bottle ever without LL-01 approval. When did they update pdf I seriously do not know, but as you see, VISOM is still carrying that approval.

 

[4wd]

It is not a fast and cheap process - it is two years or more in some cases. Why would you even post that ?

 

[4wd]

Go to XOM base oils - there is no GIII - speculation on that ?

 

[dlundblad]

Originally Posted By: edyvw
Originally Posted By: Nickdfresh
Originally Posted By: edyvw
Originally Posted By: dlundblad
Edyvw, we've been over this before.

Mobil 1 lost the BMW spec prior to the GTL transition.

If you do your homework, they lost the BMW spec November 2015. The new Mobil 1 0w40 data sheet (without the BMW spec) was posted online and/ or written April 2016.

VISOM spec. is still available in EU with LL-01:
Mobil1 0W40 VISOM


That doesn't imply causation of GTL making it non-LL-01 in NA...

I suspect there are other, perhaps political or corporate things going on...

Agree on that. But FS is not available in Europe at all, and I THINK that moving to GTL is reason for that.
Also, I have not seen VISOM bottle ever without LL-01 approval. When did they update pdf I seriously do not know, but as you see, VISOM is still carrying that approval.


I recall suggesting there were money ("political") reasons for them dropping the BMW spec.

You replied by saying now way and that a test is only $3000.

Now you seem to agree? You should become a politician.

 

[edyvw]

Originally Posted By: 4WD
It is not a fast and cheap process - it is two years or more in some cases. Why would you even post that ?

What process? Developing oil or getting approval once oil is developed?
XOM and others are working in cooperation with large manufacturers when developing oils. Question is: why other can get approval? Shell had ready approvals when they changed their formulation to GTL. Castrol just changed formulation for 0W30, and they have approval.
When VISOM formulation got in the market it had probably highest number of approvals of any oil of that type, including LL-01.
That oil is targeted for owners of Euro cars. And among those, there are a lot of BMW's. So, I would say something else is issue, not process of getting approval, which in reality is fairly easy and fast.

 

[4wd]

Please send us easy and fast process ...
It will help me as a guide too - I'm always signing huge AFE's for R&D teams ... Fast and easy would be fantastic ...
Thanks ...

 

[edyvw]

Originally Posted By: 4WD
Please send us easy and fast process ...
It will help me as a guide too - I'm always signing huge AFE's for R&D teams ... Fast and easy would be fantastic ...
Thanks ...

Already posted numerous times on this forum, including invoice from VW for approval.

 

[4wd]

Right on brother - I'm sure you have all this posted and it too is certified!.. Oh, and please continue to pay no attention to junk like Lexus ...
We always enjoy your objective opinions on all that is not Euro ...
(You don't have to add where you are from, we know where and when EU) ...

 

[edyvw]

Originally Posted By: 4WD
Right on brother - I'm sure you have all this posted and it too is certified!.. Oh, and please continue to pay no attention to junk like Lexus ...
We always enjoy your objective opinions on all that is not Euro ...
(You don't have to add where you are from, we know where and when EU) ...

It even has a stamp on it.
But hey, it is more accurate to say: it is expensive and long process.

 

[Quattro Pete]

Originally Posted By: edyvw
Originally Posted By: 4WD
Please send us easy and fast process ...
It will help me as a guide too - I'm always signing huge AFE's for R&D teams ... Fast and easy would be fantastic ...
Thanks ...

Already posted numerous times on this forum, including invoice from VW for approval.

OK, but do you know the current LL-01 approval process? According to XOM, it is lengthy. I have no way of knowing if that's true or not.