I agree… I think eTorque in the automatics is probably best of breed. It uses the top-mounted motor/generator at 48v. It times the generator resistance to vary in time with the engine‘s rotation as it shuts down to minimize vehicle shake. It provides engine braking during transmission upshifts so the transmission doesn’t have to absorb the drop in Rpm. And mechanically it’s pretty simple.Here's one that does NOT do it very well:
2018+ Jeep Wrangler 3.6/manual transmission. It's ok, but not really seamless and if you try to take off too quickly, with a fast clutch release, it can stumble and not start, causing you to have to restart the engine. Once you learn the quirks, it is ok, but I prefer not using it.
And here is one of the best I've driven:
2021 Jeep Wrangler 3.6 Etorque/Auto transmission. This thing is flat out seamless. This is how ESS was meant to be. It is night and day better than the manual. It uses the belt start generator for ESS and only relies on the starter for cold starts. It is a wonderfully executed ultra-mild hybrid system.
I've got both Jeeps. I absolutley loathe the ESS on the manual and have a programmer that remembers where I left it, so I shut it off and leave it off, only rarely using it at drive through windows at fast-food joints. That's it.
Here's the irony, to me. We have ESS, but also remote start, which wastes as much gas as idling at stoplights on a long commute (or more). Why not get rid of ESS (or remember your preferred setting) and get rid of remote start? Then call it a wash.
It’s about the only start/stop system I don’t automatically deactivate.Yes, on BMW with the 48V system. Then the alternator/generator acts as the starter after the vehicle has warmed up. Very seamless.
Edit: also helps the brake “switch” is not a contact switch, so even lifting the brake pedal up slightly will restart the engine.
I don’t always agree with that statement - for example I do think extended performance lubes use better base ingredients etc - but stop/start lubes belongs in Websters next to marketing gimmick !Marketing gimmick.
Usually you can only turn it off after you turn on the vehicle. After you turn the vehicle off and restart you have to hit the switch again to deactivate. Keep dreaming.
On many vehicles there is a button on the dash to disable it. BUT-it has to be pushed each time it's restarted. As far as not having it-you have to buy something old enough-that's the SOP on BITOG-keep the dinosaurs alive.....My next vehicle will either not have that feature , or it will have an easy way to disable it when I get in . I absolutely hate the entire concept .
The Venza is very smooth at takeoff, the engine rarely runs pulling away from a stop, till about 15mph after its warmed up. When it does kick in, it is more of a audible thing than a tactile sensation.To me Ford Hybrids are the best...seamless.
My VW which has limited miles is smooth but confused on when and where. It may improve???
Being worried about it wearing out the starter sooner is one thing, but "hating the entire concept" is just luddite progress-hating for the sake of itself. Some people get offended at the very suggestion of better efficiency and lower emissions.On many vehicles there is a button on the dash to disable it. BUT-it has to be pushed each time it's restarted. As far as not having it-you have to buy something old enough-that's the SOP on BITOG-keep the dinosaurs alive.....