Subtle. I like it!...
Besides, if I’m emptying a clip, I’ve got a Garand in my hands, and the bad guy is in deep, deep trouble…at any range…
Subtle. I like it!...
Besides, if I’m emptying a clip, I’ve got a Garand in my hands, and the bad guy is in deep, deep trouble…at any range…
We completely agree.I'm not arguing about patterns or which projectile is better . My point is about firing ANY weapon in the dark when you can't see what your shooting at . Unless you live alone and nobody else has a key to your home , firing blindly is pretty stupid .
We completely agree.
And my point was that a shotgun doesn’t change the foolishness of firing in the dark, just as you had said. Even if one lived alone, you need to be certain of the target, or tragedy could well be the result.
A small pattern spread, and it is small, doesn’t change tactical employment, aiming, being certain of target, any of that, over any other weapon.
I was responding to the post to which you had responded - the one that stated that a shotgun doesn’t require aim.
Pure fantasy. Shotguns need to be aimed.
This right Here, Hollywood has warped the general public's perception of shotguns anyone who has done any pattern work with a shotgun at "home defense" ranges knows the above statement to be a fact. AND for any Home Defense use you absolutely must think about over penetration of any round ( this includes 00 Buck ) in a standard drywall/2x4 built house in any kind of neighborhood. Being in a "Justified" shooting where you accidentally hit a neighbor/bystander/family member with a stray round is not something I would wish on anyone...Not sarcasm, rhetoric.
The shotgun pattern at seven yards is 2-4” depending on load, barrel, and choke.
Point is, that with a 4” spread, max, It’s just as easy to miss with a shotgun as it is with anything else. It is not magic. Your odds of hitting aren’t significantly different.
You absolutely must aim a shotgun as accurately as you aim any firearm in a self defense encounter.
“No need to aim” is myth.
Everyone's an expert.We completely agree.
And my point was that a shotgun doesn’t change the foolishness of firing in the dark, just as you had said. Even if one lived alone, you need to be certain of the target, or tragedy could well be the result.
A small pattern spread, and it is small, doesn’t change tactical employment, aiming, being certain of target, any of that, over any other weapon.
I was responding to the post to which you had responded - the one that stated that a shotgun doesn’t require aim.
Pure fantasy. Shotguns need to be aimed.
I objected to the latter part of this statement, that’s all.For home, can't beat a 12 ga cylinder barreled shotgun. No need to aim, just point.
This. My Glock 19 by my bed is just to get me to my Remington 870. However, I live in tight construction suburban layout up against 2 neighbors houses. A miss with a 9mm is headed straight into the neighbors kitchen, so I’m loaded with only #4 buck in the shotgun. Even a miss won’t leave the confines of my property.This right Here, Hollywood has warped the general public's perception of shotguns anyone who has done any pattern work with a shotgun at "home defense" ranges knows the above statement to be a fact. AND for any Home Defense use you absolutely must think about over penetration of any round ( this includes 00 Buck ) in a standard drywall/2x4 built house in any kind of neighborhood. Being in a "Justified" shooting where you accidentally hit a neighbor/bystander/family member with a stray round is not something I would wish on anyone...
A full bore cylinder is ~15 inches at 7 yards. It's ~40 inches at 25 yatds. Probably be about 8-9 ft at 50 yards. Any shotgun for home defense needs to be full bore cylinder (no choke).Look, if 00 Buck magically spread out at 7 yards, to a human size target, then you couldn’t hunt deer with it, because the spread at 50 yards wouldn’t hit anything. Basic arithmetic would tell you that.