Carry Gun- G19 vs G26 Glock

[Camu Mahubah]

And I'm gonna go ahead and say this so nobody thinks I'm a cool aid drinker.

I own a G23. I wish I had bought the S&W M&P40. Okay there I said it.

It's in my sig cause I changed it from Mauser to Glock. I thought it was neat.

And to the OP...before you buy a Glock you simply must try out the S&W M&P9c. If I could do it all over again I would buy the M&P over any Glock. That said I like the Glock it's just that I feel that S&W does it better.

Y'all take care you hear!

 

[JHZR2]

Originally Posted By: j_mac
...a Glock with a round in the chamber is the same as a 1911 .45 with the hammer back and the safety off. Dangerous.


How??? If the 1911 somehow got the hammer released, bang. You HAVE to get your finger or something inside the trigger guard and pull both trigger halves far enough to discharge.

Seems entirely different to me.

 

[Al]

Originally Posted By: G-MAN

You shouldn't post about things you clearly know nothing about.

+1....

Any pistol, revolver, or long gun is dangerous in the wrong hands.

 

[G-MAN]

Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Originally Posted By: j_mac
...a Glock with a round in the chamber is the same as a 1911 .45 with the hammer back and the safety off. Dangerous.


How??? If the 1911 somehow got the hammer released, bang. You HAVE to get your finger or something inside the trigger guard and pull both trigger halves far enough to discharge.

Seems entirely different to me.


The 1911 still has two safeties in effect if the thumb safety is disengaged. Unless the grip safety is fully depressed, pulling the trigger won't do a thing. And if for some reason the sear should fail (say from dropping the gun on the hammer) the half-cock notch will catch the hammer before it strikes the firing pin.

The Glock, likewise, has two safeties in effect. The one on the trigger itself which has to be depressed with the trigger before the trigger will even move, and an internal firing pin block that prevents the striker from hitting the pin unless the trigger is pulled.

 

[j_mac]

G-MAN, you're right. The 1911 is much safer than the glock. I didn't think before I spoke. I forgot about the grip safety on the 1911.
OK, a Glock with one in the chamber is the same thing as Barney Fife's .38 with the hammer cocked. If something touches the trigger, you've only got a light single action trigger pull between you and an accident.
Punch in "glock" and "accident" in Google and watch the hits go crazy.

 

[JHZR2]

So a glock with one in the chamber is SA on the trigger, but that second trigger half still needs to be engaged.

 

[1WildPig]

I can see that j_mac doesn't appreciate the action of a Glock but they are safe pistols, well, as safe as their operators are. The only thing that will cause a Glock to fire is pulling the trigger = which is what you do when you WANT it to fire, if you don't want it to fire - DON'T pull the trigger! = simple. ALL of the negligent discharges were due to the trigger being pulled when it should not have been.

Using Barney's Colt revolver with the hammer back isn't a good analogy = that revo's trigger when cocked requires about half or less of the force of a standard Glock trigger pull and a whole lot shorter trigger travel also.

If wanted, the Glock trigger pull weight can be easily changed to be heavier to simulate a revolver trigger pull if that is what is desired. You can have a standard 5.5 lb pull or an 8 lb or a 12 lb. Also, it can be made to be a 6 lb pull with a little more resistance on the initial travel but have a crisp break or even reduced to 4.5 lbs, all with standard Glock parts. The length of the trigger travel remains the same but the weight of the pull is changed.

Actually, a 1911 cocked and unlocked would be sort of similar to being as safe as the Glock except for the length of trigger travel required - substituting the 1911's grip safety for the Glock's trigger safety since a 1911 usually requires about 5 to 7 lbs of pressure on the trigger to trip the sear unless it has been tuned more for competition instead of carry...yep, the thumb safety is actually an extra safety - added during the 1911's acceptance trials at the request of the mounted calvary so they could make the pistol safe after firing while managing their horse.

Glock aren't for everyone but then again, the same can be said for 1911's or revolvers or Sigs or "fill in the blank". I like them because of their durability, reliability and simplicity. I also like 1911's and "older" S&W revolvers - each for their own attributes.

 

[j_mac]

What I'm trying to say about a glock is that it has a single action trigger pull ALL THE TIME. If something accidentally gets to the trigger, the gun can be easily discharged.
The talk about the "Safe Action Trigger" and its 2 halves is nonsensical in my book. If something gets inside the trigger guard and touches the trigger, then it will trip BOTH halves just as easily.
We're talking about concealed carry. Were the gun is hidden in all sorts of places. Stuffing a Glock just anywhere is eventually gonna get you shot accidentally.
A glock is only suited to a combat situation in a dedicated hard-sided holster. My local police department like the majority in this country carry glocks. If they ever draw on me for any reason, I'm hitting the pavement face first. Because I don't want some itchy trigger fingered, excited, liberal putting my life between them and a light double action trigger pull.

By contrast, on my SIGs. I would feel confident twirling two of them loaded, cowboy style with their hammers down. And I would still be able to engage with them just as fast as the "cocked" glock. I'll stuff it in my beltline and know that it would be near impossible for something to stroke the LOOOOONG, HEAVY double action trigger and make it go off.

Oh, and I have a horrible personal accident story of a friend of mine who was depositing a bank bag one night. He stuffed his glock .40 into the front of his beltline. It went off "somehow" and the slug went down his femur, partially severing his femural artery. He nearly bled to death. Spent a long time in the hospital over that one. It happened before I knew him or I would have warned him.

Remember this thread is about concealed carry. I say glocks are especially dangerous for that purpose.

 

[Camu Mahubah]

Gewd Gawd Man!

We will have to go round in the AM because I'm gonna be late for work if I start responding tonite!

LOL

 

[G-MAN]

Originally Posted By: j_mac
What I'm trying to say about a glock is that it has a single action trigger pull ALL THE TIME. If something accidentally gets to the trigger, the gun can be easily discharged.
The talk about the "Safe Action Trigger" and its 2 halves is nonsensical in my book. If something gets inside the trigger guard and touches the trigger, then it will trip BOTH halves just as easily.
We're talking about concealed carry. Were the gun is hidden in all sorts of places. Stuffing a Glock just anywhere is eventually gonna get you shot accidentally.
A glock is only suited to a combat situation in a dedicated hard-sided holster. My local police department like the majority in this country carry glocks. If they ever draw on me for any reason, I'm hitting the pavement face first. Because I don't want some itchy trigger fingered, excited, liberal putting my life between them and a light double action trigger pull.

By contrast, on my SIGs. I would feel confident twirling two of them loaded, cowboy style with their hammers down. And I would still be able to engage with them just as fast as the "cocked" glock. I'll stuff it in my beltline and know that it would be near impossible for something to stroke the LOOOOONG, HEAVY double action trigger and make it go off.

Oh, and I have a horrible personal accident story of a friend of mine who was depositing a bank bag one night. He stuffed his glock .40 into the front of his beltline. It went off "somehow" and the slug went down his femur, partially severing his femural artery. He nearly bled to death. Spent a long time in the hospital over that one. It happened before I knew him or I would have warned him.

Remember this thread is about concealed carry. I say glocks are especially dangerous for that purpose.


Okay, now you and I are partially on the same page. A Glock, IMO, is perfectly acceptable for concealed carry by SOMEONE WHO KNOWS HOW TO CARRY IT. I carried mine in a Serpa paddle holster. I practice at the range (generally) once a month. I know how a Glock functions and how to handle it properly. You are correct that a Glock is not the gun for stuffing in your pocket, or pants, or purse. It's not the gun for the "concerned citizens" who one day decide to take a CCW course and they've never handled a handgun in their lives. There are far better and safer choices for those folks.

 

[Camu Mahubah]

Yah I'm gonna have to agree with G-MAN. You don't wanna win any Darwin awards so stay away from the Glock j-mac!

If you wanna twirl stuff though j-mac, have you considered a baton?

Friends don't let friends twirl guns!

 

[bigmike]

I wouldn't twirl a gun, loaded or unloaded. It might drop on my foot or something.

I, however, am known to carry a gun in my waistband, front or back, without a holster. I don't think I'd feel comfortable doing so with a Glock (or with my Sig), but I do with my S&W 686 revolver.

Pocket guns should have a thumb safety of some kind or it isn't going into my pocket.

I'm not sure what it is about Glocks that bring about hot/cold opinions. I've always admired them, but never bought one. I just can't get past the ugly appearance.

 

[Steve S]

Originally Posted By: j_mac
Glocks are dangerous.
If you're gonna concealed carry the ONLY choice is a J-frame S&W Airweight, or better yet Air-Lite. Be sure and get the hammerless design. Don't want that fish hook of a hammer snagging on anything during an emergency. And the Double action trigger pull will prevent any "accidents" that may pop up in a CC gun.
Glocks don't seem to go bang unless your finger is on the trigger. At least that has been my experience when I try them out at the range. I do not own one though I like them. Especially any of the 9mm ones.

 

[Steve S]

Originally Posted By: j_mac
G-MAN, you're right. The 1911 is much safer than the glock. I didn't think before I spoke. I forgot about the grip safety on the 1911.
OK, a Glock with one in the chamber is the same thing as Barney Fife's .38 with the hammer cocked. If something touches the trigger, you've only got a light single action trigger pull between you and an accident.
Punch in "glock" and "accident" in Google and watch the hits go crazy.
Same with a rem 700 types I mess with mine all the time and you can't be stupid as with any machine.

 

[Steve S]

Originally Posted By: G-MAN
I carried a 26 for a few months. Even though it's the "Baby Glock" I found it still too heavy. I moved to a S&W scandium J-Frame 38 Special and had the S&W Performance Center replace the steel cylinder with a NOS titanium cylinder from a 342Ti. With a set of Hogue Bantam grips and the titanium cylinder, I got the weight of this little firecracker down to 11.5 oz. In a Fobus paddle holster I don't even know I'm packin'.
How do you like the recoil? I have an air weight and it seems the recoil no matter what kind of load the recoil a light to severe owie . But it is ALWAYS in my pocket.

 

[G-MAN]

Originally Posted By: Steve S
Originally Posted By: G-MAN
I carried a 26 for a few months. Even though it's the "Baby Glock" I found it still too heavy. I moved to a S&W scandium J-Frame 38 Special and had the S&W Performance Center replace the steel cylinder with a NOS titanium cylinder from a 342Ti. With a set of Hogue Bantam grips and the titanium cylinder, I got the weight of this little firecracker down to 11.5 oz. In a Fobus paddle holster I don't even know I'm packin'.
How do you like the recoil? I have an air weight and it seems the recoil no matter what kind of load the recoil a light to severe owie . But it is ALWAYS in my pocket.


Recoil isn't bad. (But I've never been overly sensitive to recoil.)

 

[j_mac]

ANY carry piece should be a double action. Period. A trigger with a long stroke and a heavy pull for the first shot is necessary for safety. And piece of mind. The thought of a glock on my person with the internal hammer cocked and a light single action trigger pull between me and an acccident would make me sick to my stomach.
With a double action you give yourself an extra lee-way on the first shot. A percieved threat or intruder might be a family member or a friend for instance. With a double action you have to deliberately stroke the trigger. In a high tension situation with a glock you've only got that light short trigger that might go off when you really didn't mean for it to. Pistol whipping is out of the equation with a glock as well. In a hand to hand struggle for your weapon the single action trigger might get you shot with your own gun as well. My SIG or Airwieght .38 will only go off WHEN I WANT IT TO. In a struggle for my SIG I'm confident that I can bash an assailant over the head hard enough to crack his skull. The looooong robust slide rails allow for immense strength in this respect. By contrast the metal inserts in the glock's frame leave something to be desired in this situation. And the plastic frame doesn't make for a good skull cracker. These are legitimate issues for a concealed carry and self defense. Even my Airweight .38 makes for a decent skull cracker.
I really have no use for a glock in any situation.

 

[Camu Mahubah]

Yah j_mac a person like yourself should avoid the Glock.


Glock: Not for twirlers!

 

[j_mac]

...back to the topic.
A S&W Airweight or Air-Lite is actually the best carry piece ever designed, that is for basic casual defensive concealed carry.

 

[Durango]

FirstNissan,

My G26 is just as reliable as the model 19! Although my hands are smaller my hand fits the G19 better slightly but not much. If you particular hand firs the other better theh go for it. Either way you won't be dissapointed.

Durango