Glock To Discontinue Most ALL Models

The two big things I see in the discontinuation of all these pistols:
1) If Glock didn't do it, several more states were lining up to block their future sale, just like California. The legal battle would be expensive and lost sales while in litigation.
2) Glock does a ton of LE business and it irks your best customers when they are confiscating dozens of pistols with switches each year, and you aren't doing anything to prevent this illegal conversion.

I get your point. However there are literally dozens of firearms that can, and in fact are, not that difficult to illegally convert to full auto. Many have been around longer than Glock. The AK-47 is one that comes to mind. I've seen them go full auto at ranges.

Then there are the bump stocks and forced reset triggers that accomplish much the same thing. It shouldn't be up to the manufacturer to have to spend engineering time and money, to keep criminals from breaking the law by, "foolproofing" their designs.

This is why we have a criminal justice system and prisons. The problem is they need to use it as it was intended. Not ignore one while emptying out the other. I'll all but guarantee you LEO's are far more concerned about that, than they are illegal full auto pistols.

If that were the case you could make an argument that automakers should put ignition cut off breathalyzers on every car from the factory, in order to stop drunk driving.
 
It appears that Glock is phasing out most all models of their pistols. This is surprising to say the very least. Lenny MaGill is one of the biggest Glock guys in the country. And he has built a very successful business around the brand.

Word is "around the net" that one of the many reasons is they want to discontinue anything that will accept a full auto switch. I'm sure there is politics involved in this somewhere. Recently Kalifornia has banned most all of them.



Discontinued Commercial Pistol Models​

  • G17 – Gen4
  • G17 MOS – Gen4 | Gen5
  • G17L – Classic | Gen3
  • G17L MOS – Gen5
  • G19 – Gen4
  • G19 MOS – Gen4
  • G20 – Gen3 | Gen4
  • G21 – Gen3 | Gen4
  • G21SF
  • G22 – Gen3 | Gen4 | Gen5
  • G22 MOS – Gen5
  • G23 – Gen4
  • G24
  • G26 – Gen4
  • G27 – Gen3 | Gen 4 | Gen5
  • G29 – Gen3 | Gen 4 | Gen5
  • G29SF
  • G30 – Gen3 | Gen 4 | Gen5
  • G31 – Gen3 | Gen4
  • G32 – Gen3 | Gen4
  • G33 – Gen3 | Gen4
  • G34 – Gen3 | Gen4
  • G34 MOS – Gen4 | Gen5
  • G35 – Gen3 | Gen4
  • G35 MOS – Gen4
  • G36
  • G36 FGR
  • G37 – Gen3 | Gen4
  • G38
  • G39
  • G40 MOS – Gen4
  • G41 – Gen4
  • G41 MOS – Gen4
  • G49
Why is GLOCK discontinuing so many models?
In order to focus on the products that will drive future innovation and growth, we are making a strategic decision to reduce our current commercial portfolio. This streamlined approach allows us to concentrate on continuing to deliver the highest-quality and most relevant solutions for the market.

What does this mean for me as a customer?
You’ll still have access to the most popular GLOCK models you know and love—just with a more focused selection.

Will discontinued models still be supported?
Yes! Just like we do with previous generations. We will continue to service discontinued models.

Do these portfolio changes affect law enforcement agencies?
GLOCK remains fully committed to supporting the varying needs of our law enforcement partners. While IOP programs may be affected, GLOCK is prepared to work closely with LE partners to make sure officer and agency needs are met. For more questions, contact your LE District Manager.

https://us.glock.com/en/discontinued-models

They might get BudLight or Crackerbarreled 😂😂
 
I'll all but guarantee you LEO's are far more concerned about that, than they are illegal full auto pistols.
I would agree.

Generally, concerning those to whom would use the stupid Glock switch against an LEO..............if it was me, in a gunfight against said idiot, I think I would acually want them to have the switch. It would decrease the chance of a hit on me, and cause them to reload very quickly, providing the chance for a well aimed shot, whilst the other had no ammo.


More of a technical gunfighting thing, off topic sorry. :unsure:
 
@Hohn on the other side of the coin, the older Glock design patents have expired and the design is in public domain. Many companies are making exact copies of Glock's expired designs. Why would Glock want to continue to manufacture designs they now have to compete with the likes of Ruger? I think it's a pretty smart move by Glock. Manufacture much higher margin products, instead of making a nickel or a dime competing with every knock-off out there.
Lately I saw places like Academy Sports have most models very competitively priced under 500 which I think 🤔 backs up all the rumours. The RXM with threading is under 450 so they might have too many models to carry? Just buying space on a shelf like AnheiserBusch did. Sounds like trying to get rid of their old stock? Been done with them for awhile as CZ and Ruger make more "stuff" in their product lines.
 
I believe Glock is doing this as a preemptive against the pending lawsuits lodged by certain states (I'll spare any additional personal opinion adjectives about those), not necessarily a catagory clearing move to free up "space". I mean heck, Glock still sold every single pistol they made, and had folks clamoring for more. Even Gen 3. It's always been easier for those crybabies trying to get some sort of "compliance" to their agenda by going after the manufacturer, rather than the criminal that modifies the gun (like it should be), and Glock is a big target. I've seen lots of Glocks during my time behind the badge, but never one with a modified slide switch to make it full auto in the hands of those not supposed to have a gun, or using one for nefarious purposes. Those I did see a LOT of. By those with CCHs so long that it could deforest this country. Ah, but a thread for another day.

Glock will persevere, they always have. Some good changes, some not so good. But they aren't going away anytime soon, despite the efforts of some. Thank G*d.
 
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They might get BudLight or Crackerbarreled 😂😂

IF the reason they made the change actually is to prevent full auto conversion, the best thing for them to do is make that undeniably clear to the Glock buying public. And not right away start in with, "You’ll still have access to the most popular GLOCK models you know and love, just with a more, "focused selection"..... That's backpedaling marketing B.S.

I remember when Springfield Armory did this with their selection of 1911 pistols some years back. They were simply caught up in a production dilemma, with all of the different models of 1911's they were producing at the time. So they discontinued several different models that were not selling that well, and /or not that profitable.

Not to mention they were all coming out of 2 different manufacturing facilities that were located in different countries. Imbel in Brazil, and Geneseo Illinois. Logistics, delivery dates, along with Q.C. were fast becoming a nightmare that they simply got sick and tired of entertaining.

I can't say one way or the other if this is the case with Glock. Because they are a very private company, and release very little to the public about the running of their operation. Also you have to wonder if Gaston was still alive, would they be doing this? Word was that he ruled that company with a iron hand.... Very successfully. Much like Bill Ruger did.
 
The danger I see in the background is what the threat represents in our lives when applied to other scenarios. This is of SIGNIFICANT concern to me.

Let's boil down the Glock topic to a simple sentence, and then apply that same logic to other situations ...

- Glock is changing their design because the product is easily manipulated to become something they didn't account for, and they are facing massive lawsuit defense costs as well as potential legal judgements.​
- What would happen to Ford if they were sued because the Mustang 2.3L EB is easily "tuned" (converted) from 320hp to over 500hp, making it much more dangerous to the general public? (obviously, this isn't limited to a Ford product; pretty much anything with a turbo DI engine these days can nearly double the power output with 5 minutes of a ECU program update).​
- What would happen to Mann/Hummel if they were sued because their oil filters were illegally used as "noise suppression components" on a firearm? There's not any "conversion" even necessary; it's just an unintended use that the filter industry doesn't consider a proper application of their product.​
- What would happen to CF Industries Holdings and other companies which make ammonium nitrate? Is it their fault that two nefarious individuals combined their product with fuel oil and blew up the Murrah building?​
- Why isn't Wusthof or Cangshan being sued for making kitchen knives? Aren't those used in an unintended manner to slay people?​


My concern is that we are experiencing a dangerous precedent being set. Because of the controversial nature of firearms (and Glock in particular), there seems to be a general acceptance of the end-justifying-the-means from some. But once a legal precedent is set, it's often applied elsewhere. Where does this end?

The irony is that there are laws and legal precedents already in place which are supposed to protect these companies from the unintended use of their products. And yet, here we are, seeing Glock being attacked from many states because of the unintended consequences of their design. A large part of this comes from the lack of commitment to the rule of law. There are federal laws to protect the lawful commerce in firearms, and yet several states are still suing Glock. It's "lawfare" at its core. I abhor this concept. They essentially want to use the court system to bully Glock; as large as Glock is, it's still not able to defend multiple suits at the same time. It would be great if courts would honor the rule of law, but abject bias is obviously in play.

I don't blame Glock for changing; this is the lessor cost alternative and a matter of corporate survival. It's highly likely that the "new" V series will have many similar features (probably will use the same mags and other dimensional components, making for a lot less tooling changes and high parts compatibility). The change is likely to address the obvious elephant in back of the slide. Maybe they will find a way to improve their trigger feel; a characteristic that is the complaint of many (though it never bothered me at all).

In the end, I just have to wonder what this shift signifies in a legal sense? Are we to a point where we can see any legit company threatened for the misuse of their product? Because there exists a nearly limitless ability to stretch this concept into every corner of our lives.
 
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I get your point. However there are literally dozens of firearms that can, and in fact are, not that difficult to illegally convert to full auto. Many have been around longer than Glock. The AK-47 is one that comes to mind. I've seen them go full auto at ranges.

Then there are the bump stocks and forced reset triggers that accomplish much the same thing. It shouldn't be up to the manufacturer to have to spend engineering time and money, to keep criminals from breaking the law by, "foolproofing" their designs.

This is why we have a criminal justice system and prisons. The problem is they need to use it as it was intended. Not ignore one while emptying out the other. I'll all but guarantee you LEO's are far more concerned about that, than they are illegal full auto pistols.

If that were the case you could make an argument that automakers should put ignition cut off breathalyzers on every car from the factory, in order to stop drunk driving.
I get that, but we live in the litigious society called the USA. Glock can be a crusader and attempt to force American politics and legal system to go back to the old ways and go bankrupt, or they can be more tactical in this crazy USA and make a few design changes and continue on.

While other guns can be made full auto, none with the simplicity of a Glock. I took my first Glock Armorers Course back in 1994 (taken it nine or ten more times since to stay current) and that first course it was discussed how easy it was to convert and how modified slide cover plates were being sold at gun shops over the counter in central and South America and being illegally imported, just stuffed in luggage and US Customs had no idea to identify them.
 
The danger I see in the background is what the threat represents in our lives when applied to other scenarios. This is of SIGNIFICANT concern to me.

Let's boil down the Glock topic to a simple sentence, and then apply that same logic to other situations ...

- Glock is changing their design because the product is easily manipulated to become something they didn't account for, and they are facing massive lawsuit defense costs as well as potential legal judgements.​
- What would happen to Ford if they were sued because the Mustang 2.3L EB is easily "tuned" (converted) from 320hp to over 500hp, making it much more dangerous to the general public? (obviously, this isn't limited to a Ford product; pretty much anything with a turbo DI engine these days can nearly double the power output with 5 minutes of a ECU program update).​
- What would happen to Mann/Hummel if they were sued because their oil filters were illegally used as "noise suppression components" on a firearm? There's not any "conversion" even necessary; it's just an unintended use that the filter industry doesn't consider a proper application of their product.​
- What would happen to CF Industries Holdings and other companies which make ammonium nitrate? Is it their fault that two nefarious individuals combined their product with fuel oil and blew up the Murrah building?​
- Why isn't Wusthof or Cangshan being sued for making kitchen knives? Aren't those used in an unintended manner to slay people?​


My concern is that we are experiencing a dangerous precedent being set. Because of the controversial nature of firearms (and Glock in particular), there seems to be a general acceptance of the end-justifying-the-means from some. But once a legal precedent is set, it's often applied elsewhere. Where does this end?

The irony is that there are laws and legal precedents already in place which are supposed to protect these companies from the unintended use of their products. And yet, here we are, seeing Glock being attacked from many states because of the unintended consequences of their design. A large part of this comes from the lack of commitment to the rule of law. There are federal laws to protect the lawful commerce in firearms, and yet several states are still suing Glock. It's "lawfare" at its core. I abhor this concept. They essentially want to use the court system to bully Glock; as large as Glock is, it's still not able to defend multiple suits at the same time. It would be great if courts would honor the rule of law, but abject bias is obviously in play.

I don't blame Glock for changing; this is the lessor cost alternative and a matter of corporate survival. It's highly likely that the "new" V series will have many similar features (probably will use the same mags and other dimensional components, making for a lot less tooling changes and high parts compatibility). The change is likely to address the obvious elephant in back of the slide. Maybe they will find a way to improve their trigger feel; a characteristic that is the complaint of many (though it never bothered me at all).

In the end, I just have to wonder what this shift signifies in a legal sense? Are we to a point where we can see any legit company threatened for the misuse of their product? Because there exists a nearly limitless ability to stretch this concept into every corner of our lives.
I get that, but we live in the litigious society called the USA. Glock can be a crusader and attempt to force American politics and legal system to go back to the old ways and go bankrupt, or they can be more tactical in this crazy USA and make a few design changes and continue on.

While other guns can be made full auto, none with the simplicity of a Glock. I took my first Glock Armorers Course back in 1994 (taken it nine or ten more times since to stay current) and that first course it was discussed how easy it was to convert and how modified slide cover plates were being sold at gun shops over the counter in central and South America and being illegally imported, just stuffed in luggage and US Customs had no idea to identify them.
Both excellent points of view, and the clairvoyance of thought to the scary reality that is soon to come in this country. Someone once said; Freedom aint't free (Southern translation 😁).
 
In the end, I just have to wonder what this shift signifies in a legal sense? Are we to a point where we can see any legit company threatened for the misuse of their product? Because there exists a nearly limitless ability to stretch this concept into every corner of our lives.
I dont think you have to wonder at all, you know.

Yes we are at that point. One thing, IMO that started it was, in proxy, 3M hearing protection lawsuit..... used by military personnel......same ballpark. Glock just decided to play the game before getting sued.

-Owning milling machine, lathe and welder=machine gun manufacture
-have a kitchen sink? look underneath=chemical weapons manufacture


ridiculous
 
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