Thats interesting. Do thes co's usually get away with this weasel wording?? It's the biggest Japanese oil company. Strange that they would do something like this..
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Cant find the ACEA requirement for my 2006 Toyota 1.8 vvti
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Since that put me off Eneos im thinking about these 3:
Mobil 1 ESP Formula 5W-30
Castrol Edge Titanium LL FST 5w30
Aral SuperTronic Longlife III 5W-30
Mobil is the most expensive and aral the least, but within 5$ difference for 4l's. Not a factor. Which would be the best of these 3? They all have similar manufacturer approvals and other ratings. My concern with aral is that they clearly state that it's designed for german diesel's. Of course they say that it's for petrol cars too, but is that even a factor? Leaning toward mobil 1..
Mobil 1 ESP Formula 5W-30
Castrol Edge Titanium LL FST 5w30
Aral SuperTronic Longlife III 5W-30
Mobil is the most expensive and aral the least, but within 5$ difference for 4l's. Not a factor. Which would be the best of these 3? They all have similar manufacturer approvals and other ratings. My concern with aral is that they clearly state that it's designed for german diesel's. Of course they say that it's for petrol cars too, but is that even a factor? Leaning toward mobil 1..
If you can get it plain vanilla Mobil1 5w-30 is all your Toyota needs. ACEA A5/B5. No need for ESP formula.
I would skip A5/B5 recommendation above due to lower HTHS level...plus it is easier to find C3 then A5/B5 on your and mine market
Amongst all low saps specs vw504/507 is the strongest/best... Check lubizol tool on my link
https://www.lubrizol.com/Lubricant-and-F...erformance-Tool
Although car from 2006 doesnt need low saps oil...
Amongst all low saps specs vw504/507 is the strongest/best... Check lubizol tool on my link
https://www.lubrizol.com/Lubricant-and-F...erformance-Tool
Although car from 2006 doesnt need low saps oil...
How about Shell Helix Ultra 5W-40 A3/B4 ?
A great oil at a good price (for many in Europe, NZ and Australia at least).
A great oil at a good price (for many in Europe, NZ and Australia at least).
Never mind, the Aral does appear on the MB approved list. I was going to say it didn't
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Ok thanks
@kschachn why do you think that?
In addition to what he mentioned, C3 and A3/B4 are mutually exclusive, and I'm not sure why they're advertising decade old ACEA specs.
Ok thanks
@kschachn why do you think that?
In addition to what he mentioned, C3 and A3/B4 are mutually exclusive, and I'm not sure why they're advertising decade old ACEA specs.
C3 and A4/B4 could be from 2008-2016...
E.G.:...... Acea C3-08, C3-12, C3-16
EDIT: forget it...did get it...you ment Eneos specs..
E.G.:...... Acea C3-08, C3-12, C3-16
EDIT: forget it...did get it...you ment Eneos specs..
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The ACEA spec for your engine is A5/B5 or C2. It means HTHSV (high-temperature, high-shear viscosity) is about 3.0 cP.
The difference between the two is that A5/B5 has a higher TBN (more acid-neutralizing detergent) than C2 and you can do a longer oil-change interval (OCI) with it as a result.
Use a high-quality, known-brand synthetic if you care.
However, as everyone said, any oil will work in this engine. I run a thinner oil than recommended-- ACEA C5 (HTHSV ~ 2.6 cP [0W-20]) -- in a much older Corolla and it works fine. You can run a thicker oil than A5/B5 or C2 -- such as A3/B4, C3, or C4 -- but your fuel economy will suffer and the engine will feel a little more sluggish and a little less responsive, and that's the only effect you will see.
The difference between the two is that A5/B5 has a higher TBN (more acid-neutralizing detergent) than C2 and you can do a longer oil-change interval (OCI) with it as a result.
Use a high-quality, known-brand synthetic if you care.
However, as everyone said, any oil will work in this engine. I run a thinner oil than recommended-- ACEA C5 (HTHSV ~ 2.6 cP [0W-20]) -- in a much older Corolla and it works fine. You can run a thicker oil than A5/B5 or C2 -- such as A3/B4, C3, or C4 -- but your fuel economy will suffer and the engine will feel a little more sluggish and a little less responsive, and that's the only effect you will see.
I have a couple other cheaper options. I really dont need a high end oil. Im doing just 3000-5000 miles per year, but i have a lot of very short trips. Often just 1-2 miles.
My first choice now is Mobil Super 3000 XE 5W-30 (6.65$ per liter)
https://www.mobil.com/English-GB/Passenger-Vehicle-Lube/pds/GLXXMobil-Super-3000-XE-5W30
Second choice is TOTAL QUARTZ INEO LONG LIFE 5W-30 (6.05$ per liter)
https://catalog.lubricants.total.com/gallery/ORIGINALS/visuels/23000/23446
Third choice is Valvoline SynPower™ XL-III C3 Motor Oil SAE 5W-30 (7.25$ per liter)
https://cdn.opieoils.co.uk/pdfs/valvoline/PI_SynPower-XL-III-C3-5W-30_069-02.pdf
This one is interesting because of a 2 year oil drain interval. I tried to find some info but couldnt find it. Does this means that i can change the oil every 2 years in any car? Since im doing so little mileage, this would be interesting to me but i am doing a lot of short trips. Dont know if that would be good.
Regarding the short trips, usually in mild to hot weather. In the winter time i dont do many short trips. Usually at least 10 miles or so. What is the most important thing for me? The viscosity index and flash point or?
Im leaning toward Mobil 1 3000 xe since Mobil is linked to Toyota as the oil behind the TGMO. I heard talks on this on various forums but never could find some real evidence and it's interesting that all mobil oils i looked at dont mention toyota anywhere. If it is tgmo then they would at least mention it that it's good for toyota. Any info on this?
My first choice now is Mobil Super 3000 XE 5W-30 (6.65$ per liter)
https://www.mobil.com/English-GB/Passenger-Vehicle-Lube/pds/GLXXMobil-Super-3000-XE-5W30
Second choice is TOTAL QUARTZ INEO LONG LIFE 5W-30 (6.05$ per liter)
https://catalog.lubricants.total.com/gallery/ORIGINALS/visuels/23000/23446
Third choice is Valvoline SynPower™ XL-III C3 Motor Oil SAE 5W-30 (7.25$ per liter)
https://cdn.opieoils.co.uk/pdfs/valvoline/PI_SynPower-XL-III-C3-5W-30_069-02.pdf
This one is interesting because of a 2 year oil drain interval. I tried to find some info but couldnt find it. Does this means that i can change the oil every 2 years in any car? Since im doing so little mileage, this would be interesting to me but i am doing a lot of short trips. Dont know if that would be good.
Regarding the short trips, usually in mild to hot weather. In the winter time i dont do many short trips. Usually at least 10 miles or so. What is the most important thing for me? The viscosity index and flash point or?
Im leaning toward Mobil 1 3000 xe since Mobil is linked to Toyota as the oil behind the TGMO. I heard talks on this on various forums but never could find some real evidence and it's interesting that all mobil oils i looked at dont mention toyota anywhere. If it is tgmo then they would at least mention it that it's good for toyota. Any info on this?
@Gokhan How did you find out that info? I looked everywhere and couldnt find anything relevant about it, but some bits and pieces that would point to c2 oils for vvti engines..
I am leaning toward protection more than fuel economy and performance. What would be the difference in fuel economy in percent difference between a c3 oil and a c2 oil? Is that within 5% or more?
I am leaning toward protection more than fuel economy and performance. What would be the difference in fuel economy in percent difference between a c3 oil and a c2 oil? Is that within 5% or more?
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Originally Posted By: YotaVerso
Im leaning toward Mobil 1 3000 xe since Mobil is linked to Toyota as the oil behind the TGMO. I heard talks on this on various forums but never could find some real evidence and it's interesting that all mobil oils i looked at dont mention toyota anywhere. If it is tgmo then they would at least mention it that it's good for toyota. Any info on this?
Mobil made one or more of the varietals of TGMO, including the unicorn tears versions that had BITOGers creating shrines to them over their mantlepieces, and having bowls at their entranceways for guests to dip and bless themselves before leaving the couch and heading out into the real world.
That being said, it doesn't "back translate", to 3000 xe being the best oil for a Toyota engine.
It will certainly do the job
Im leaning toward Mobil 1 3000 xe since Mobil is linked to Toyota as the oil behind the TGMO. I heard talks on this on various forums but never could find some real evidence and it's interesting that all mobil oils i looked at dont mention toyota anywhere. If it is tgmo then they would at least mention it that it's good for toyota. Any info on this?
Mobil made one or more of the varietals of TGMO, including the unicorn tears versions that had BITOGers creating shrines to them over their mantlepieces, and having bowls at their entranceways for guests to dip and bless themselves before leaving the couch and heading out into the real world.
That being said, it doesn't "back translate", to 3000 xe being the best oil for a Toyota engine.
It will certainly do the job
Originally Posted By: YotaVerso
@Gokhan How did you find out that info?
Originally Posted By: YotaVerso
I am leaning toward protection more than fuel economy and performance. What would be the difference in fuel economy in percent difference between a c3 oil and a c2 oil? Is that within 5% or more?
While there are claims of 5% or thereabouts all over the board (especially with TGMO 0W20), you'll be lucky for your vehicle to experience 1-2%, and you'll NEVER be able to measure even that in real life.
@Gokhan How did you find out that info?
Originally Posted By: YotaVerso
I am leaning toward protection more than fuel economy and performance. What would be the difference in fuel economy in percent difference between a c3 oil and a c2 oil? Is that within 5% or more?
While there are claims of 5% or thereabouts all over the board (especially with TGMO 0W20), you'll be lucky for your vehicle to experience 1-2%, and you'll NEVER be able to measure even that in real life.
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Originally Posted By: YotaVerso
Originally Posted By: YotaVerso
YotaVerso said:I am leaning toward protection more than fuel economy and performance. What would be the difference in fuel economy in percent difference between a c3 oil and a c2 oil? Is that within 5% or more?
While there are claims of 5% or thereabouts all over the board (especially with TGMO 0W20), you'll be lucky for your vehicle to experience 1-2%, and you'll NEVER be able to measure even that in real life.
I couldnt care less then, but what about engine protection? Would it be better with a c3 type of oil compared to a c2 or a5/b5 oil? Especially considering the very short trips i do..
EDIT: im worried about engine protection on a 75000 miles toyta and i do 3-5k miles per year. Even if i kick it up a notch and do 5k miles every year, 20 years from now the car will have 175k miles and 32 years
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How about Shell Helix Ultra 5W-40 A3/B4 ?
A great oil at a good price (for many in Europe, NZ and Australia at least).
I would stick with 5w30. Have this option:
http://triumf.md/js/tiny_mce/plugins/addfile/files/Shell/TDS2/Helix/Helix_Ultra_ECT_5W-30_(en)_TDS.pdf
but i dont know. Leaning toward mobil 3000 xe or total ineo ll. Both are cheaper and think the mobil could be a bit better, but not sure
How about Shell Helix Ultra 5W-40 A3/B4 ?
A great oil at a good price (for many in Europe, NZ and Australia at least).
I would stick with 5w30. Have this option:
http://triumf.md/js/tiny_mce/plugins/addfile/files/Shell/TDS2/Helix/Helix_Ultra_ECT_5W-30_(en)_TDS.pdf
but i dont know. Leaning toward mobil 3000 xe or total ineo ll. Both are cheaper and think the mobil could be a bit better, but not sure
Originally Posted By: YotaVerso
@Gokhan How did you find out that info? I looked everywhere and couldnt find anything relevant about it, but some bits and pieces that would point to c2 oils for vvti engines..
I am leaning toward protection more than fuel economy and performance. What would be the difference in fuel economy in percent difference between a c3 oil and a c2 oil? Is that within 5% or more?
It's simple. Toyota recommends ILSAC grades (HTHSV < 3.5 cP) in most if not all its cars because it's a Japanese company. A3/B4, C3, and C4 are not ILSAC grades. Newer engines are C5 but yours is A5/B5 or C2.
There are many people out there in the million-mile club who simply have used thinner oils. So, protection is a nonissue for these engines. A3/B4 or C3 may protect slightly more or perhaps slightly less but the point is that you won't see a difference even in an engine teardown.
However, Corolla's have low-HP engines (one reason why thick oil is not needed) and your gas pedal will feel heavier and the car will take off slower if you use a thicker oil, which also manifests itself as a drop in the fuel economy, somewhere in the 2 - 5% range.
Use A5/B5 instead of C2 because you mention a long OCI.
@Gokhan How did you find out that info? I looked everywhere and couldnt find anything relevant about it, but some bits and pieces that would point to c2 oils for vvti engines..
I am leaning toward protection more than fuel economy and performance. What would be the difference in fuel economy in percent difference between a c3 oil and a c2 oil? Is that within 5% or more?
It's simple. Toyota recommends ILSAC grades (HTHSV < 3.5 cP) in most if not all its cars because it's a Japanese company. A3/B4, C3, and C4 are not ILSAC grades. Newer engines are C5 but yours is A5/B5 or C2.
There are many people out there in the million-mile club who simply have used thinner oils. So, protection is a nonissue for these engines. A3/B4 or C3 may protect slightly more or perhaps slightly less but the point is that you won't see a difference even in an engine teardown.
However, Corolla's have low-HP engines (one reason why thick oil is not needed) and your gas pedal will feel heavier and the car will take off slower if you use a thicker oil, which also manifests itself as a drop in the fuel economy, somewhere in the 2 - 5% range.
Use A5/B5 instead of C2 because you mention a long OCI.
OK, so supposition as to actual documented Toyota recommendation as to ACEA grade ?
edit...wasn't quick enough obviously...
Now...evidence to the 3-5% economy hit ?
BTW, Gokhan, wasn't thick your flavour de etre less than a few months ago ?
Pick the biggest "W" number for the best all round performance based on heavier base oil viscosity ?
edit...wasn't quick enough obviously...
Now...evidence to the 3-5% economy hit ?
BTW, Gokhan, wasn't thick your flavour de etre less than a few months ago ?
Pick the biggest "W" number for the best all round performance based on heavier base oil viscosity ?
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I only found this. Check the bottom of the document. There are some japanese co's (including toyota) that are under the C2, low saps, a5/b6 as a guideline i guess, but there are other bits and pieces that pushed me toward c2 and a5/b5 but just couldnt find some concrete evidence that it is so.. My best guess is that it is.
http://www.peakoil.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/InfoSheetFAQs-PCMOLCVsandSUVAug2009.pdf
http://www.peakoil.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/InfoSheetFAQs-PCMOLCVsandSUVAug2009.pdf
Couldnt edit the post.. I found this TOTAL QUARTZ INEO ECS 5W-30. Some russian guy does some basic wear and other type of tests. nothing scientific but this oil is actually the best 5w30 oil in the wear test. It's a C2 oil. There is no mention of A5/B5 in the pdf, but usally wherever i look it is always listed as a A5/B5 oil and usually such oils specify that they Meets TOYOTA’s requirements. That is also a hint towards the C2 and A5/B5 being the right choice for Toyotas. Also no api or ilsac specs. Is that a problem? My manual says api sj or sl and ilsac.
http://www4.total.fr/asia-oceania/malays...duct%20spec.pdf
great price of 5.35$ per liter (in a 5l package)
I think i found my golden boy
Any objections? And think about it. They are designed for PSA and citroen which are some of the worst engines you can find. They really need great oil to get out of the warranty period in one piece
http://www4.total.fr/asia-oceania/malays...duct%20spec.pdf
great price of 5.35$ per liter (in a 5l package)
I think i found my golden boy
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