Canola - real results

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Posting this in additives because I'm only using canola for top-off at this point.

Some of you might be familiar with my presently underway experimentation with canola in motor oil. Well, I'm about 700 miles into this OCI, 640 miles into the experiment, and here's what I'm seeing so far:

Oil is still fairly light in color; about what I'd normally expect at this point in a typical OCI. Last time I looked at it, it had darkened up considerably but it wasn't uniform and opaque, the darkening was the result of particulate matter in suspension. Tonight, the oil was lighter and more uniform and the particulate was gone (assuming it's in the filter by now). To me, this says the oil was cleaning, not oxidizing; yes, you really can tell from color if you know how to look at it.

Okay, so we're all good with cleaning here. I'll probably pull the VC over the weekend for a set of valvetrain pics, but I don't expect to see much improvement there since it was already pretty clean; putting that out there ahead of time so nobody jumps in to tell my my "before and after" isn't that impressive.

Now for the butt-dyno readout: smoother idle, less noise, smoother and quicker response, more horsepower, and an overall better driving experience. According to my ears, my tires agree with my rectal dynamometer; I'm going to have to ease up on the throttle a bit during takeoff and shifting. I find it very easy to break traction during takeoff, as well as chirp the tires shifting from 1st to 2nd or 2nd to 3rd, and that's never been a problem before; I used to REALLY have to rev it and drop the clutch to get that kind of response from this car. Now I have to literally try NOT to break traction.

I'm attributing that to increased compression, which I'm attributing to the freeing of previously-stuck rings, which I'm attributing to the ester content of the canola.

Let's please keep the conversation to alternative lubrication and/or possible causes of the increase in performance I'm seeing. Anyone who wants to complain about butt-dyno analysis, you can wait until this weekend when I post cold, warm, and hot compression numbers. Until and unless those numbers post with no improvement, bite your tongues. And those who aren't satisfied with visual oil analysis, join the club; I'm sending a sample to Blackstone in 2300 miles; you can hold your comments as well. There is no need to bash what I'm doing here, it's my engine, not yours, and I'm already fully aware of the risks I am taking with this line of experimentation.
 
Originally Posted By: randomhero439
So... you put Canola oil in the crank case? How much? What car? What effects do you expect to achieve?


In order:

Yes.

16oz in total, so far, in a 4qt (accounting for oversized oil filter) sump; 12.5%. 8oz at 165 miles and another 8oz at 570 miles. The first 8oz was top-off due to a leak caused by an improperly seated valve cover gasket. The 2nd 8o was top-off due to a leaky timing chain tensioner seal, which fixed itself. Presumably the Rotella T6 or the canola (I'm leaning toward the T6) cleaned up a false seal on a dried out o-ring, and the esters in the canola acted as seal swellers and restored that same o-ring.

This is in a 2000 Corolla with a 1ZZ-FE that just came off a severe cleaning cycle (short OCIs with doses of MMO) to "fix" the piston oil return hole issue that is common in this generation of Corolla. The cleanup was a success, but there is apparently much more to be done still, as I am finding out.

Honestly, I didn't expect much going into this and I'm quite impressed that there does seem to be considerable improvement already. I thought I had done all the cleaning that was going to be done already before I started this and I was really just looking to see how the canola would affect the life of the oil. My original goal as to test canola as an additive source of esters that cost less than $2.33 per ounce or $27.92 per dose(cue the flame responses) and didn't carry its own additive package which may interfere with the carefully formulated additive package found in a well-crafted oil.

It's too soon in the experiment to tell, but I feel like I've found something good here. I'm having this oil analyzed at 3k, 5k, 7.5k, and 10k, assuming each prior analysis indicated that it is safe to keep running this oil. Provided I can safely push this OCI to at least 5k, my next OCI will consist of 25% canola in 75% T6. If that makes it to 5k, I plan to run a 50/50 canola/T6 blend. If I can safely push that to 5k, I'll call my experiment a success; I've already determined (though more testing is needed to verify) that either 6.25% canola is effective within 400 miles or 12.5% canola is effective within 130 miles, and at $3.50 for a 24oz bottle, it's just shy of 15 cents per ounce and either $1.67 or $2.33 per dose in a 4qt sump. That's well within the price-point requirements, so all that's left is the safety and longevity factor, followed by verification (in another engine) of the effective dose. I'll complete the safety and longevity testing in my car, then test the effective dose again in my wife's car, which I haven't gotten around to cleaning up yet; it was not well maintained before we met, so it should make for a good comparison.

I expect the full run of this testing to take two or more years.
 
A little history:

I'm far from the first person to put canola in motor oil. In fact, canola is a common industrial lubricant, often used in high-temperature and high-pressure applications. It used by be a common marine engine lube and has a history of use aboard naval vessels (though I'm not sure whether this is still the case).

As it carries no sacrificial additives of its own, I've chosen the very stout Rotella T6 as my base oil, so as to minimize the risks associated with running [censored] oil.
 
Originally Posted By: sprintman
Does Rotell T6 have any ester content?


The stuff I'm running currently does, that's kinda the point of my experimentation.
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2 things I would do.
1 fill a clear bottle 50/50 with T6 and Canola mix it up real well and leave it on a shelf somewhere.
Leave it for a few months and see if it separates. A small bottle or glass jar with lid would work.

The only thing I'd be worried about is separation and the mixture breaking down under heat and pressure.
Not sure how to test the heat/pressure thing.
 
Originally Posted By: V8man
KeMBRo2012, do you know what the Flash Point of Canola Oil is, just curious?


I'm not sure what source he is using but many Canola oils have a flashpoint >200 C.
 
Fascinating, please keep us updated.

I do not understand however why you are ultimately reaching for such high percentages. Can you clarify? Just trying to see if it will work? Even 25% seems extreme for an "additive".
 
Originally Posted By: KCJeep
Fascinating, please keep us updated.

I do not understand however why you are ultimately reaching for such high percentages. Can you clarify? Just trying to see if it will work? Even 25% seems extreme for an "additive".


I'm testing the margin of safety. I don't want to advise people to run canola in their oil at ANY ratio unless I can determine that the "dangerous" ratio is at least 3 or 4 times the recommended dose. You've been here long enough to know that people like to add a bit more "to increase effectiveness".

I would also like to keep running T6 in this engine in the long term, but I don't want to run a 40 weight. I initially thinned it with a 0w20 full synthetic (before I decided I was going to do this experiment), but if I can thin it with canola instead, that would kill two birds with one stone.
 
Originally Posted By: Solarent
Originally Posted By: V8man
KeMBRo2012, do you know what the Flash Point of Canola Oil is, just curious?


I'm not sure what source he is using but many Canola oils have a flashpoint >200 C.


That's 392 Degrees Fahrenheit, so Canola Oil should be no problem in an engine.
 
Originally Posted By: V8man
KeMBRo2012, do you know what the Flash Point of Canola Oil is, just curious?


Solarent's reply is accurate. I believe the stock I'm running is a hair over 400F. I'll consider having a VOA done to verify, but it's not currently in the budget.
 
Originally Posted By: KeMBro2012
Originally Posted By: V8man
KeMBRo2012, do you know what the Flash Point of Canola Oil is, just curious?


Solarent's reply is accurate. I believe the stock I'm running is a hair over 400F. I'll consider having a VOA done to verify, but it's not currently in the budget.


No VOA needed since this Canola Oil is probably mixing in with the oil you are using, with the temp of the Canola it will probably not burn off, there are 2 popular oil additives that have a much lower Flash Point than Canola Oil and they seem ok in motor oil.
 
Originally Posted By: Vikas
I am glad that you did wait to post this today rather than posting it yesterday :-)


I posted it at 10:21PM yesterday, my local time. Didn't even think of that HAHAHA
 
Originally Posted By: V8man
Originally Posted By: KeMBro2012
Originally Posted By: V8man
KeMBRo2012, do you know what the Flash Point of Canola Oil is, just curious?


Solarent's reply is accurate. I believe the stock I'm running is a hair over 400F. I'll consider having a VOA done to verify, but it's not currently in the budget.


No VOA needed since this Canola Oil is probably mixing in with the oil you are using, with the temp of the Canola it will probably not burn off, there are 2 popular oil additives that have a much lower Flash Point than Canola Oil and they seem ok in motor oil.


I'm interested in the viscosity, as well. By feel, I'd put it at around a straight 10, but I'd like to be sure.
 
Is there a certain brand or something else to look for in Canola? I looked at a few, most just said "100% Canola".
 
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