Canola - real results

[TuBon_gRips]

Originally Posted By: RiceCake
Originally Posted By: KeMBro2012
First of all, the "canola" people run in their diesels is refined, often in homemade and poorly controlled "refineries", often poorly, and often without any regard for the oxidation caused by the heat applied to the oil during the refining process itself. They're putting already bad oil in their car, of course they're having problems.


I like how people who refine biodiesel obviously are clueless and you know exactly why they're having problems.

Clearly your refinery - a food factory packaging canola oil for people to use to make breakfast - has exceptionally high standards in manufacturing.

Sorry, I get confused easily.


Let's just say I've seen more than a couple of home biodiesel "refineries". Yes, the company refining the canola found on store shelves is just a cut or two above the majority of waste cooking oil re-refineries in operation. Realize that most of these so-called refineries "refine" their waste oils in open-air containers and use few or no antioxidant additives in their processes, filtration is poor to nonexistent, then to top it off most biodiesel users store their fuel in heated open-air containers (yes, there is typically a lid and yes, it keeps dust out - usually - but we're not talking about dust here) to avoid gelling, which does work, but the combination of heat and air, along with the lack of any chemical protection from oxidation usually leads to...

You know what, you're just going to argue with me ant not bother backing it up.

Go on, say what you will, I won't be able to see it.

 

[TuBon_gRips]

To be clear to everyone here, the antioxidant and additive package in my oil comes from the Rotella T6 which comprises more than 80% of what is in my sump.

Now, unless one if you is insuring my vehicle and will be out the replacement cost of my engine...

 

[Shannow]

Originally Posted By: RiceCake
Funny.

People run canola oil in their biodiesel cars. End result? Huge issues with sludging if you don't change the oil frequently.

But now we're being told hey, if you intentionally run canola oil, its nothing but smiles.

I call B.S.


You, as usual are mixing your arguments.

People who have been burning straight vegetable oil in their diesels have been seeing polymerised sumps...that's oil that has partially gone through the combustion process and made it past the rings...that's NOT biodiesel.

biodiesel is a fuel that has gone through a chemical process, typically alcohols and catalysts, which breaks the triglyceride, and produces an ester, and a glycerine waste product. Mess up the process, and you make in addition to those, soap. Glycerine, catalyst, or soap in the fuel system can cause big problems with injectors and whatnot, and then cause dilution of the oil.

I've made ethyl esters of Canola before on a number of occasions, and run them both in the fuel tank (petrol/diesel), and crankcase at additive type treat rates.

This thread has inspired me to start making some more, and using it with a high SAPS fleet oil to have a crack at the varnish in my L67.

 

[friendly_jacek]

Here is a guy who "tested" USED canola engine oil in overheating engine on Mohave desert: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/veggie_fuel_blennders/message/174

That person was brave, but nuts.

 

[yonyon]

Originally Posted By: friendly_jacek
That person was brave, but nuts.

Nuts or not, he may not have been thinking what he thinks he was thinking when he thought to do that thing.
Originally Posted By: that link
whereas motor oil boils at about 212 deg F (100 C)

Then again, maybe he was used to using Bullet brand premium motor oil.

 

[Vikas]

Originally Posted By: yonyon
Originally Posted By: friendly_jacek
That person was brave, but nuts.

Nuts or not, he may not have been thinking what he thinks he was thinking when he thought to do that thing.
Originally Posted By: that link
whereas motor oil boils at about 212 deg F (100 C)

Then again, maybe he was used to using Bullet brand premium motor oil.

Why doesn't USA have mandatory primary education? If we had that, we would not be seeing such stupid statements made by people.

 

[Trajan]

Originally Posted By: Vikas
Originally Posted By: yonyon
Originally Posted By: friendly_jacek
That person was brave, but nuts.

Nuts or not, he may not have been thinking what he thinks he was thinking when he thought to do that thing.
Originally Posted By: that link
whereas motor oil boils at about 212 deg F (100 C)

Then again, maybe he was used to using Bullet brand premium motor oil.

Why doesn't USA have mandatory primary education? If we had that, we would not be seeing such stupid statements made by people.


Because that would violate people's right to be dumber than dirt

 

[TuBon_gRips]

Originally Posted By: friendly_jacek
Here is a guy who "tested" USED canola engine oil in overheating engine on Mohave desert: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/veggie_fuel_blennders/message/174

That person was brave, but nuts.


LOL

 

[MolaKule]

Those bio-based oils were fully formulated oils meaning there were PI additive packages added to the vegetble oils.

From the paptent, it appeared to be a blend of 17% soybean and 83% canola oil with a PI additive package.

same paper found here:

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1994941#Post1994941

 

[TuBon_gRips]

Originally Posted By: MolaKule
Those bio-based oils were fully formulated oils meaning there were PI additive packages added to the vegetble oils.

From the paptent, it appeared to be a blend of 17% soybean and 83% canola oil with a PI additive package.

same paper found here:

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1994941#Post1994941


I'm not sure what you're replying to here but... I'm also not running straight canola, I'm blending it into a fully formulated oil that far exceeds the requirements of my engine. There is more than enough margin of safety as far as additive package is concerned, including plenty of antioxidant additives to ensure that oxidation should not (note that I said *should* as in I'm not sure and that's kind of one of the things I'm testing here) be an issue. The oil is checked daily and, while I know that's not a "perfect" test, it's enough that I'll notice any sudden changes which may indicate an issue, which would trigger an immediate sample being sent to Blackstone and the vehicle being parked until the results came back. If anything, I'm being overly cautious.

Apparently some people seem to think not recording or reporting every single "everything seems normal" and only caring about the variances is not scientific enough. Sorry, I've got better things to do than post here every time I check on things and nothing has changed, and if I did that I'd have a whole different group of people jumping on me for posting needlessly, telling me I should only post updates when something actually happens. Well...

I've all but lost interest in discussing this project on BITOG anymore. I'll probably still be around to check my PMs from time to time and keep those few who have shown a genuine interest in my results updated as I go along, and I'll be reading and learning as I've done here for nearly a decade before I decided to join, but as for posting, it probably won't happen much, at least until either my engine blows or I've put 30k+ on canola blends with no ill effects.

The only arguments I'm seeing anymore are based on people not completely paying attention to what I'm doing currently, what my planned next steps are, and what constraints (financial, time, location) I'm working within, and it's really become tiresome. I started this thread in hopes that I would receive suggestions and, instead, have seen mostly people who are more interested in "protecting" my engine as though it were their own, telling me I'm guaranteed to f*** up my engine.

Y'know what? It's my engine, it's a risk I've already stated that I'm aware of and willing to take. For you. Appreciate that, or don't, I don't really care at this point. Those who have shown their appreciation and interest will be kept updated privately, everyone else can move on to the next poor chump who thinks the BITOG community is still interested in homebrew research that isn't backed by marketing hype.

Mods, please lock this thread. Thanks.