Canadian Tire Motomaster Synth 5W-30 / 6500 KM / 2001 Chrysler Intrepid 2.7L V6

[va3ux]

Canadian Tire MotoMaster Formula 1 Synthetic 5W-30
In service March 1/05 to May 5/06
Chrysler 2.7 L V-6 with 232,000 km (144,000 mi)
NAPA Gold 1068

Analysis by WearCheck Canada

Sample Date 5/5/2006
Unit Age 232300km (144,000 mi)
Time on Fluid 6500km ( 4020 mi)
Time on Filter 6500km ( 4020 mi)
Fluid Maint. Changed
Filter Maint. Changed
Fluid Canadian Tire Formula 1 Synthetic 5W-30
Iron (Fe) 4.9
Chromium (Cr) 0.4
Nickel (Ni) 0
Titanium (Ti) 0.1
Silver (Ag) 0.2
Aluminum (Al) 9
Lead (Pb) 0.3
Copper (Cu) 3.3
Tin (Sn) 0
Silicon (Si) 20
Sodium (Na) 5
Potassium (K) 6.6
Boron (B) 19
Barium (Ba) 0
Molybdenum (Mo)261
Magnesium (Mg) 10
Calcium (Ca) 1747
Phosphorus (P) 616
Zinc (Zn) 739
Sulfur (S) 1626
Manganese (Mn) 0.7
Vanadium (V) 0.3
Oxidation(PA) 40
Nitratrion(PA) 39
Sulfation(PA) 49
TBN 1.49
Kv@100°C 9.2
White Metal NONE
Babbitt NONE
Precipitate NONE
Silt NONE
Debris NONE
Dirt NONE
Appearance NORML
Odor NORML
H2O(Emul) NEG
H2O(Free) NEG

First ever oil analysis folks.

Phil

 

[addyguy]

Looks realy good for wear, but the engine really chewed the heck out of both the TBN and viscosity of the oil - should a full synthetic with only 4,000 miles shear back to barely a 30-weight?

 

[va3ux]

The Chrysler 2.7 L V-6 has 3 timing chains. The main one is a big, long one, triple row. It is my belief that the presence of the 3 chains presents a higher shearing load to the oil compared to many other engines with just one short timing chain, or perhaps with dry belts and no chains at all.

Also, the term "full synthetic" on the label in all likelihood means that it's all GrpIII oil, rather than a "syn blend" . Based on the price of this oil I do not believe that it is PAO.

The virgin TBN on this could be on the low side. See my other UOA here with QS Q Advanced full synthetic. Similar mileage, same engine, but TBN was 2.8 at the end of the run.

Phil

 

[addyguy]

I think it has been fairly well established that the C-T 100% syn, being a Shell oil, is actually a PAO synthetic, so it should be a 'tougher oil' for a 4,000 mile drain. I could be wrong though - I though a poster had confirmed somewhere this was a PAO oil....

 

[va3ux]

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I think it has been fairly well established that the C-T 100% syn, being a Shell oil, is actually a PAO synthetic, so it should be a 'tougher oil' for a 4,000 mile drain. I could be wrong though - I though a poster had confirmed somewhere this was a PAO oil....

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No. Nobody confirmed that it was PAO at all. That hasn't been established in the least. That was just speculation based on the fact that another Shell Synthetic oil product does happen to be PAO.

I spoke directly to Shell Canada in January of this year. They were not allowed to say what was in this Canadian Tire branded product. But they did say that Shell uses both GrpIII and PAO to formulate various synthetic oil products - and both are not necessarily in a product together.

Phil

 

[Minou]

Isn't a 14 month OCI long enough to deplete the TBN in this oil despite the low miles?

I guess that it was mostly short trips and the like?

 

[va3ux]

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Isn't a 14 month OCI long enough to deplete the TBN in this oil despite the low miles?

I guess that it was mostly short trips and the like?

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Sorry guys. The service dates should read March 1/ 06to May 5/06.

Service time was actually 69 days days.

Phil

 

[oilyriser]

Does your engine have a black dipstick? I recently sanded the blackening off mine so its nice and shiny, to be able to see any staining from varnish or sludge, since the oil filler tube is about 10 inches long and has a bend in it. I rinsed the dipstick with mineral spirits before putting it back.

The more expsensive synthetics have the ACEA A5 rating, which is supposed to allow longer use, and have less viscosity loss. Then there's XD-3 0w30 which is cheaper than the Motomaster, and lasts even longer, but isn't energy conserving.

 

[va3ux]

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Does your engine have a black dipstick?

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Oilriser - No it doesn't. It's as clean as new, and always has been. What you saw in the picture in the original post is what it has always looked like.

Similar situation just under the oil cap. I can only see a very limited amount of aluminum surface under there, but it's all clean. BUT, the PCV hose regularly offers up some bits of coke. So who knows what the h*ll it looks like 8" away from the oil filler cap.

Phil

 

[G-MAN]

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I spoke directly to Shell Canada in January of this year. They were not allowed to say what was in this Canadian Tire branded product. But they did say that Shell uses both GrpIII and PAO to formulate various synthetic oil products - and both are not necessarily in a product together.

Phil

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I can tell you that an engineer at Shell told me that the Shell branded "Formula Shell" synthetic was made with Group III. If they don't even use PAO for their flagship synthetic in North America it's highly doubtful that a synthetic they blend for a chain store would be.

 

[va3ux]

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I spoke directly to Shell Canada in January of this year. They were not allowed to say what was in this Canadian Tire branded product. But they did say that Shell uses both GrpIII and PAO to formulate various synthetic oil products - and both are not necessarily in a product together.

Phil

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I can tell you that an engineer at Shell told me that the Shell branded "Formula Shell" synthetic was made with Group III. If they don't even use PAO for their flagship synthetic in North America it's highly doubtful that a synthetic they blend for a chain store would be.

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That's pretty much what I said. Neither the chap from Shell nor I said or implied that there was any PAO in the Canadian Tire product.

 

[CB900F2]

Wow.. I did not think that CND Tire/Shell would have used this level of Moly in their Oil.. (Molybdenum (Mo)261).. I am plesently surprised as I just bought four jugs of their 5W20 F1 synthetic that is on sale this week..

Other then me getting a UOI on my OCI, I am planning to run the Oil (5W20) for 5M or 8500KM.. I have a 2001 Accord V6 -3.0L

Thanks guys!

 

[gogozy]

is this a SM grade oil? i am wondering if 5w20 grade is more robust than 5w30 in this oil.