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It basically describes how when you're asked to be a selfless patriot ..someone is there to cash in.

You're serving your patriotic duty to your nation ..while they're holding up their end of it with their unwavering allegiance to Capitalism.

That's why I call war an "enterprise". There are a few necessary reasons for it to occur. Some of the reasons may not be apparent ..and it could be wisely used. But the term "our interests" rarely means "all of us".
 
I have no real complaints. A fiend of mine, last week was diagnosed wit a detached retina, Had surgery the next day.
Sure if you go to emerge with a cut finger you will wait hours.
Our biggest problem seems to be the United States, that lure our brightest and best with big $, leaving out system short.
People on low income (under $20K, I think) pay zilch in premiums, the regular working Joe pays about $50 per month.
 
They used a neat trick to deal with people who were suing the government run blood agency for being infected with hepatitis: wait three years.
 
Originally Posted By: Jerryb
I get my health insurance thru my employer. I pay $350/month for me and my wife.


How much does your employer chip in? For my family the combo of my contrib and the boss' is a hair over $1000/month.

Now for a
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ER wait time... wife was snuggling my then one year old and noticed a shard of freaking metal in his eye! We went to an urgent care clinic, believing their advertising that they were better than the ER for "little things". They tried rolling a q-tip over the shard but didn't want to try harder so they called the real ER and sent us over.

We waited 7 hours there, until 11 pm, when they tried rolling a q-tip
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then referred us to an opthamology center the next day that pulled the shard. They weren't calling the on-call opthamologist b/c of no apparent distress. I was PO'd because as an adult I could communicate distress and understand do this, don't do that... but a 1 year old????
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I'm of course in terror that the next blink might drive the shard deeper in. Thankfully it all worked out.

Could they fix ER wait times? Sure, but apparently the "dregs of society" would have it "too easy" since they can waltz in and get treated and blow off the bill. If those "dregs" had regular paid for service maybe the ERs could be used for, gasp, emergencies...

Back on topic, I'm tickled that in
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someone has the cajones to say "no" to a retiree... around here the pandering never ends!
 
As far as wait times go. Here in Chicago. I have had three surgeries in the last five years on my leg. The first was to repair a torn Achilles tendon which took ten days, and that was on a emergency basis. The other two, first to reconstruct the Achilles because it tore again, took 6 weeks to schedule. The second was a hip replacement and that took 7 weeks to schedule. Maybe with different doctors it could have been done quicker, but I did my research and picked out good doctors. Also, my wife works for a major trauma center and ER wait times on a weekend are at least 8-12 hours for someone who comes in on their own and not by ambulance. In fact, the last time my mother went there with Pneumonia, she was put on a gurney in the hallway for 26 hours before getting a room.
 
Originally Posted By: sprintman
Which bits were not true? A list please. (hint having lived in many countries I have experienced some of these). Tks..s


Easy enough just to punch in "debunking Sicko" into Google. Oh he's slick (he fooled you and many others). Pay particular attention to infant mortality rate calculations (debunking sicko infant mortality). Moore doesn't always lie, he just plays with statistics, and mostly leaves information out. He's pretty much a Rush Limbaugh for the left, but the left is just as blind as the right when it comes to spokesidiots. I know some here simply can't accept that.

Now as for health care, I think there are some good things about universal care and there are some terrible things. But in the USA, you simply can't start from a point of "everything is bad with the current system" just as much as you can't start with a "everything is bad with universal care". Some will have to face the facts that as large and diverse as we in the are, we have been the driver for many aspects of very expensive advanced medicine. Some hard choices will need to be made. What I don't understand is how we could possibly think Congress will do a good job of this.....
 
There needs to be universal *basic* medicine such as treatment of contagious diseases, to protect society in general, but not things like free sex change operations.
 
Here the chronic poor have their clinics or insurance. It's the working poor who are sitting out in the cold. In PA children up to 18 qualify for CHIP ..but there's nothing for them the day they turn 18 ..even if they're going on to higher education.

If it's done in traditional American style, there will be more than enough time in debate to allow the losers to reconfigure themselves to capitalize on it.
 
I don't think the Gov't could do any worse than what private insurance companies (of all kinds..malpractice and perosnal coverage, ect) have done to rape the system..

I don't know of any service worth $850 an hour when I spent 50 of thoes minutes waiting..
 
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I don't think the Gov't could do any worse than what private insurance companies (of all kinds..malpractice and perosnal coverage, ect) have done to rape the system..


They will probably manage.

Those who oppose it can afford the current system. They also know the traditional ways of government and don't want to pay for them ..nor suffer under them.

That's why they seem to protect the totally out of control setup we have now.

I just say that the wages of sin is government involvement. You make your bed ..you sleep in it.

Physician ..heal thy self...or suffer the consequences.

It's all very conservative and loaded with accountability.
 
LAGA: Guess what: Canadian studies from Calgary show that Achilles tendon heals faster and better if you just put your foot into a nice ankle boot and keep it there for six weeks. If you were in Canada the greedy surgeon would not have operated and wrecked your tendon, so the medical bill would be minimal, it would have healed faster, and it would not have re ruptured. Don't confuse Universal Health Care (Canada - Socialist) with Money and Profit Driven Health Care (Capitalist). We give our patients the best, even when that means that you do not get an operation if you don't need it, and operation was only needed to pay for surgeons new Mansion. Doctors in USA paid more than in Canada, and live in bigger Mansions, but that does not mean that patient is better - the patient is poorer, because they also pay for the Mansion of the Insurance CEO and shareholders, but no doctor here is starving, and we can all afford houses, even though they are more modest, they are still in the "better" areas of town. Patient, doctor, and medical system happy and proud.
 
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Originally Posted By: Pablo
we have been the driver for many aspects of very expensive advanced medicine.


Bingo... US invents a lot of the cool stuff, and then charges more than our neighbors to the north or south... subsidizing the rest of the world.
 
My point was that in the US you still have to wait to get some procedures done. As far as my Achilles injury, I had a complete rupture with a separation of about two inches. When they completely pull apart they very rarely grow back together correctly. It was due to years of inflammation and cortisone shots given to me by a doctor (Podiatrist)whom I trusted but turned out to be a quack. After the in initial repair, the surgeon doubted if the repair would hold up because there was almost no healthy tendon tissue left. After the tendon had a second small tear, I found a specialist who replaced the dead tendon with one from my thigh. I am fine now and still work as a carpenter for a concrete contractor.
 
How do you Canadians like your national health insurance? Do we Americans have anything to fear if the government takes over? Talk about your experience, not from rumor or speculation.

Thanks, [/quote]

Please remember my original question. It appears most Canadians are satisfied with their health coverage. It seems they have good doctors and good hospitals that are responsive to their needs. Most everyone is covered.

Here in NY, I pay $350 per month, my employer pays more and I don't have dental care. I also pay for uninsured people thru my taxes. My fear is that the government will spend our money on their friends who will get rich and they will create a system that is worse than what we have already.
 
Originally Posted By: Jerryb

My fear is that the government will spend our money on their friends who will get rich and they will create a system that is worse than what we have already.


BINGO! It'll end up just like SS/Medicare. They'll spend a substantial portion of revenue from any government run health care program on things other then health care.
 
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