Can filters going 10K become the norm?

[Claud]

Originally Posted By: ragtoplvr
for a air cooled Beetle adding a real oil filter and additional thermostat controlled oil cooler did pay off in longer engine life. I think maybe 100K is a maximum. The engine can out last the clutch.
Used to be able to drop the engine in 45 minutes or less, if it cooperated. They are pretty easy to rebuild. They used to be cheap, nothing is these days.

The are the definition of it is more fun to drive a slow car fast than a fast car slow. Even a Karmen Ghia is slow.

Dune buggies are slow. And FUN
Rod


On UK spec Beetles the oil cooler partially shrouded #3 cylinder head. Recovery trucks were often picking them up after they had dropped #3 exhaust valve after prolonged flat out running. (Which they were supposed to be able to keep up all day). Moving the cooler was a must for most VW hot rodders back in the day.

I could do a Beetle clutch change in 40 minutes, my best time was 17 minutes, I won all the beer I could drink from the manager who bet I couldn't do it in under 20 minutes.

I believe the record is something like 3 minutes.

Claud.

 

[Kuato]

Originally Posted By: tig1
Originally Posted By: Kuato
Originally Posted By: tig1
Since I have been doing 10K OCIs since the late 70's, then 10K on a filter has been the norm.

What filters have/do you use?


For several years now I have been using MC filters in my Fords. Before that M1, Purolator, etc.


Thanks. Now I'm wondering where the "thanks" button went....

 

[rrounds]

I hope so, I go 15k miles(2 OCI) on my S2000 oil filter(Baldwin B202). Have 114k miles on it now and it still runs just fine.

ROD

 

[passgas55]

I do 10k oil and filter changes on a 2007 chevy 4.3. The oil monitor says to change it any where between the 10 to 11k mark but I just always change it at the 10k mark. You think I can go 20k miles on a ac;delco filter? Would you do it on a NAPA Gold?

 

[geeman789]

How long can the paper type element in a generic type oil filter last... something about very hot oil and paper just doesn't sit well with me...

At what point does the media, or endcaps if applicable, actually begin to deteriorate...? I 've seen some poorly maintained cars sludge up the filter bad, but the media seemed to at least be intact.

Just curious... not sure why, because I never go past about 10 000 km (6200 miles...) anyway... 10 000 km is a nice round easy to remember number...!

Current filters are Fram Ultra XG7317 and a Napa Gold 7055... one synthetic media, the other paper...

 

[mongo161]

I feel confident that I have a very clean engine. In the past, I've run 3 treatments of Kreen, in both the gas and oil, as well as HD diesel 15w40 blended with dino PCMO.

In most cases, I run both synthetic and regular media filters for 2 OCI's and the oil still comes out like the color of iced tea, and I can see through the oil flowing out of the drain plug.

Even with Purolator Classic and Fram High mileage filters, I'll run Formula Shell, PYB or QSGB for back to back OCI's of 7K for each run with the same filter. I do use the oversized filter for all of my oil filter in my 1997 Toyota 4Runner, SR5 with 300K+++ on the odometer.

For back to back synthetic's like PU, Edge, QSUD and store brand oils, I'll run these for 8K since most of my driving is a mix of city/highway.

Now I'm running Formula Shell SM, GF-4, conventional, with the same Fram Ultra oversize, after running a blend of Red Line 5wt, (2 quarts) and GC, 0w30, (4 quarts) for 8K during the winter run. I hope to run this Formula Shell conventional for 7K miles since it is the high moly/boron API-SM oil.

I still use my Filter-Mag on each oil filter....all of the time.

 

[Motorking]

You should rephrase that as "Only filter makers with significant OE customer bases have kept up with technology". More than 55% of our business is OE and OES

 

[Motorking]

Originally Posted By: philipp10
Originally Posted By: sir1900
Originally Posted By: gfh77665
After seeing posted pictures, I often read the comment "could have gone another 5000 miles" or "could have gone another oil change interval".

Are most filters under most ordinary circumstances up to a 10K interval? I think the filter changing every time oil is changed is going the way of the old 3000 mile interval. Thoughts?


That's because you are seeing folks here use high quality filters such as a FRAM Ultra for 5k OCIs which is a complete waste.


I see alot of praise for the Fram Ultra. Is there a test report available that backs up its claims?


Phillip,
What kind of test report would you like to see? The box says 99% efficiency@20 microns and 15,000 mile durability when used with high quality oil. Those are legal statements enforced by the FTC that require us to have engineering data to support. Otherwise if a competitor filed a complaint stating they think these statements are false, we would be in a lawsuit in federal court. I do not know of any company that releases engineering test data to the general public but if you can show me one, I would like to see it.

 

[Motorking]

Originally Posted By: crazyoildude
im still trying to get the flow rate...So far even fram danced around that question...I am using one now and its fine but i dont know the flow rate or if its in bypass 20% of the time.... This will probably be my last ultra because of that. Other filter companies like wix lists all that stuff on their website..

Crazy, Please show me where WIX lists flow rate of each individual filter on the website. Every filter has a slight different flow rate depending on can size and filter media. We are the largest OE filter supplier in the world, over 55% of our business so we are very aware of what factory flow rates are and we always either meet or exceed that number. If you want to know the flow rate of a particular part number, all you need to do is ask, my cell number and email address is in every post I make.


Too bad the purolator is not any good anymore i got used to them..I think the tearing issue on the purolators drove the sales up on the fram.. I personally would not use a fram except the ultra.. But if i don't find the flow rate i wont be using them anymore either. I could not find this information anywhere and if it was really good they would post it so everyone can see including other filter companies.


What filter do you want to know the flow rate on? Any filter in the market that is in bypass 20% of the time would be real junk my friend. Doesnt happen in real life unless your driving a Z06 Corvette at 7000rpm ALL THE TIME. What do think the oil flow rate is of your engine in regular driving? What kind of car do you drive and what engine size and I will find out for you. Whenever we design an oil filter for any car, we ALWAYS meet or exceed the factory efficiency, capacity and oil flow rates. Always! Again, Happy to answer your questions just by sending me an email. It's that simple.

 

[Motorking]

To answer the questions in general in this thread. Can a oil filter go 10k on a late model vehicle. Yes it can but there are really many variables involved. This is why oil change monitors have come into use on most modern vehicles. A person who drives 4k miles per year is obviously doing tons of short trip driving and would not be a candidate for 10k change intervals. Short trips cause oil sludging plain and simple. Someone like my dad who put 50k per year on his car could easily go even 15k between changes as his high speed, light load driving on the freeway are ideal operating conditions. We warranty and stand behind the Ultra going 15k and the Tough Guard going 10k as they easily have the capacity to do so. That said, if you live in Michigan like I do and only drove 5k miles per yr, leaving a filter on for 15k is not so great an idea. Due to the salt on the roads the can may rust out long before the filter is full. In another scenario, putting a high end filter on a vehicle that is very dirty inside will only cause the filter to fill with dirt and sludge very quickly, doing exactly what it is supposed to do. The reality is using the correct oil, making sure the oil is at operating temp on each trip, high quality filtration, change intervals following recommended intervals, we see engines all the time with 500k + miles on them. We have a customer with an Infiniti J30 that just past 700k miles and still going. And he is doing 4k changes with conventional oil and an EG filter. It starts with doing the required maintenance from the beginning. Hard to clean up a dirty engine and dirty engines already have wear from poor maintenance.

 

[fredfactory]

Originally Posted By: Motorking

Phillip,
What kind of test report would you like to see? The box says 99% efficiency@20 microns and 15,000 mile durability when used with high quality oil. Those are legal statements enforced by the FTC that require us to have engineering data to support. Otherwise if a competitor filed a complaint stating they think these statements are false, we would be in a lawsuit in federal court. I do not know of any company that releases engineering test data to the general public but if you can show me one, I would like to see it.


Agreed it would give lawyers way too much to do if Fram published bad figures. I'm guessing Purolator ran Fram Ultras on a 4845-12 rig to verify it to see if they could easily win a Fram suit and get the marketing win.

Figures thrown around on bitog are the 80% at 5 microns for Ultras. I personally think its true, due to the depth filtering going on that rat's nest style media, although it would be nice to see it on the website. 99% at 20 microns is good by itself to not confuse most consumers.

 

[LotI]

Motorking,

Fram states an Ultra will go 15k miles and to follow the change interval in your owners manual. Honda recommends a filter change every other oil change. My driving is 90+% highway with an average speed of 45-50mph every tank. I am driving 4-5k per month so rust out wouldn't be an issue in WI

The OLM in my Honda would take me to 12k miles if I went to 0% so the filter could be on for up to 24k miles. I change at 15% so that's really 10k miles/oil fill. Oil is a quality synthetic, currently QSUD.

Would you recommend an Ultra to stay on for this double interval or change it every time?