I've been doing 10k runs on my two Honda's for more than 14 years now.
Zero issues and more than 200k on both cars.
Zero issues and more than 200k on both cars.
Can filters going 10K become the norm?
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Paper media and cardboard endcaps ( if applicable...) in hot oil probably lasts a long time...
How long is the key unknown... and the oil filter is a few $ , the engine, a few thousand + $$$
Just change it... and be sure, or use a synthetic media type filter, and be surer...
How long is the key unknown... and the oil filter is a few $ , the engine, a few thousand + $$$
Just change it... and be sure, or use a synthetic media type filter, and be surer...
Originally Posted By: sir1900
Originally Posted By: gfh77665
After seeing posted pictures, I often read the comment "could have gone another 5000 miles" or "could have gone another oil change interval".
Are most filters under most ordinary circumstances up to a 10K interval? I think the filter changing every time oil is changed is going the way of the old 3000 mile interval. Thoughts?
That's because you are seeing folks here use high quality filters such as a FRAM Ultra for 5k OCIs which is a complete waste.
I see alot of praise for the Fram Ultra. Is there a test report available that backs up its claims?
Originally Posted By: gfh77665
After seeing posted pictures, I often read the comment "could have gone another 5000 miles" or "could have gone another oil change interval".
Are most filters under most ordinary circumstances up to a 10K interval? I think the filter changing every time oil is changed is going the way of the old 3000 mile interval. Thoughts?
That's because you are seeing folks here use high quality filters such as a FRAM Ultra for 5k OCIs which is a complete waste.
I see alot of praise for the Fram Ultra. Is there a test report available that backs up its claims?
Originally Posted By: camperbob
its cheap insurance, Id rather go 10k on oil, and 2 filters than 10k on the same filter and 2 oil changes.
IMO the filter is where any foreign matter is held. Ill spend the extra 5-10 bucks to keep that out of my engine.
With that said, if I opted for the top tier filter, I wouldn't hesitate to use it the entire OCI
But a new filter does not filter as well as a used one. So one could argue that the old filter is as good if not better
its cheap insurance, Id rather go 10k on oil, and 2 filters than 10k on the same filter and 2 oil changes.
IMO the filter is where any foreign matter is held. Ill spend the extra 5-10 bucks to keep that out of my engine.
With that said, if I opted for the top tier filter, I wouldn't hesitate to use it the entire OCI
But a new filter does not filter as well as a used one. So one could argue that the old filter is as good if not better
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My saab ecotec is designed for two years and up to 16k miles. Our Integra specified 7500 mi OCIs with a filter swap every other change.
Filters have long been capable of 10k miles.
Filters have long been capable of 10k miles.
Originally Posted By: Joel_MD
Originally Posted By: datech
I am halfway considering running without any filter, as I don't think they are necessary. I don't think they really do anything, and all of the filters that I have pulled off and examined basically had nothing in them except dirty oil.
That's interesting. Are you sure there was nothing in the filters you examined? Particles down around 20 microns would be invisible to the naked eye.
Install new oil and filter. Remove filter and drain for x amount if time. Weigh filter and reinstall. Weigh again at end of OCI.
Originally Posted By: datech
I am halfway considering running without any filter, as I don't think they are necessary. I don't think they really do anything, and all of the filters that I have pulled off and examined basically had nothing in them except dirty oil.
That's interesting. Are you sure there was nothing in the filters you examined? Particles down around 20 microns would be invisible to the naked eye.
Install new oil and filter. Remove filter and drain for x amount if time. Weigh filter and reinstall. Weigh again at end of OCI.
I change my filters every other oci not because i save money but because of the extra start up wear.
i think that mileage was on the average of 50,000 on the air cooled vw back in the day we did hundreds and hundreds of those engines
im still trying to get the flow rate...So far even fram danced around that question...I am using one now and its fine but i dont know the flow rate or if its in bypass 20% of the time.... This will probably be my last ultra because of that. Other filter companies like wix lists all that stuff on their website..
Too bad the purolator is not any good anymore i got used to them..I think the tearing issue on the purolators drove the sales up on the fram.. I personally would not use a fram except the ultra.. But if i don't find the flow rate i wont be using them anymore either. I could not find this information anywhere and if it was really good they would post it so everyone can see including other filter companies.
Too bad the purolator is not any good anymore i got used to them..I think the tearing issue on the purolators drove the sales up on the fram.. I personally would not use a fram except the ultra.. But if i don't find the flow rate i wont be using them anymore either. I could not find this information anywhere and if it was really good they would post it so everyone can see including other filter companies.
Money can also be saved by half way through the oil draining, put the plug back in. I change the filter every time, because I want a new filter with nothing in it, and I want all the oil out I can. Oil filters aren't air filters, I don't buy that the used oil filter filters better, and definitely don't buy the notion the large pores fill up first in an oil filter.
Originally Posted By: crazyoildude
i think that mileage was on the average of 50,000 on the air cooled vw back in the day we did hundreds and hundreds of those engines
Yeah, they weren't really long life "original motors". Thing back then they were fairly cheap to rebuilt though. Today's labor costs would make them unreasonable to rebuild at such short intervals. I've owned them as well as my buddy, 1964 through 1973 models. Oil filters are an inexpensive way to extend your engine life
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Whimsey
i think that mileage was on the average of 50,000 on the air cooled vw back in the day we did hundreds and hundreds of those engines
Yeah, they weren't really long life "original motors". Thing back then they were fairly cheap to rebuilt though. Today's labor costs would make them unreasonable to rebuild at such short intervals. I've owned them as well as my buddy, 1964 through 1973 models. Oil filters are an inexpensive way to extend your engine life
Whimsey
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Originally Posted By: tig1
Since I have been doing 10K OCIs since the late 70's, then 10K on a filter has been the norm.
What filters have/do you use?
For several years now I have been using MC filters in my Fords. Before that M1, Purolator, etc.
Originally Posted By: tig1
Since I have been doing 10K OCIs since the late 70's, then 10K on a filter has been the norm.
For several years now I have been using MC filters in my Fords. Before that M1, Purolator, etc.
The owner's manual of my '76 Plymouth van specifies a 5000 mile oil change interval and to use the filter for two intervals. 10,000 mile intervals are nothing new.
Bucking the trend of most manufacturers, our KIA manual prefers 3750 mile OCI's and states the filter must be changed every time.
I will probably put it on Full Synthetic 10k OCI's when we are out of warranty. Hah!
I will probably put it on Full Synthetic 10k OCI's when we are out of warranty. Hah!
I was under the impression that they filter better as they age to a certain point. I'm running a Fram Tough Guard for 8,000 miles. I'm changing the oil every 4,000 miles.
for a air cooled Beetle adding a real oil filter and additional thermostat controlled oil cooler did pay off in longer engine life. I think maybe 100K is a maximum. The engine can out last the clutch.
Used to be able to drop the engine in 45 minutes or less, if it cooperated. They are pretty easy to rebuild. They used to be cheap, nothing is these days.
The are the definition of it is more fun to drive a slow car fast than a fast car slow. Even a Karmen Ghia is slow.
Dune buggies are slow. And FUN
Rod
Used to be able to drop the engine in 45 minutes or less, if it cooperated. They are pretty easy to rebuild. They used to be cheap, nothing is these days.
The are the definition of it is more fun to drive a slow car fast than a fast car slow. Even a Karmen Ghia is slow.
Dune buggies are slow. And FUN
Rod
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Originally Posted By: DavidJones
Besides marketing hype, is there any real proof that a decent "standard" filter isn't capable of filtering for 10,000 miles in a modern vehicle using synthetic oil?
Absolutely. I had a 10k OCI in my Cobalt with synthetic oil and a Purolator Classic. The filter had a very noticeable hole in it. Sent it to purolator for analysis and they said 10k is too long for that filter. Unfortunately I already had another classic as a replacement. I will replace it at 5k, in the middle of this OCI, an see what this one looks like.
Besides marketing hype, is there any real proof that a decent "standard" filter isn't capable of filtering for 10,000 miles in a modern vehicle using synthetic oil?
Absolutely. I had a 10k OCI in my Cobalt with synthetic oil and a Purolator Classic. The filter had a very noticeable hole in it. Sent it to purolator for analysis and they said 10k is too long for that filter. Unfortunately I already had another classic as a replacement. I will replace it at 5k, in the middle of this OCI, an see what this one looks like.
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