Buy my father in law's Honda Pilot?

Originally Posted by gathermewool
Dark tint (ceramic for IR heat reduction for a bit more money) is an option for the Sentra. If you don't want to pay for tint on all of your windows, then just the rear wouldn't cost much. You can throw a suction-cup shade on the rear side window, which we do in combination with the OEM tint to block nearly all of the sun from our little one.

It looks like 35% is the MD limit for the rear, but I'm sure you could go darker if the rest of the car isn't tinted like a gangster-mobile.

Everyone has their own wants and needs. Being cheap, you certainly know that there's no need for a Pilot-sized vehicle for one kid; however, what you're being offered seems like a really good deal, so long as you can get a handle on what all it needs now and might need in the future. Why not have it inspected thoroughly and get an estimate for all of its problems. They might be able to give you an idea of anything coming your way within the next couple of years, too, such as bushings, brakes and other wear items that can be inspected easily. The timing belt is on a schedule, so no mystery there, so long as it was replaced correctly the first time.

Emissions: What makes you think it won't pass in 2022? Your emissions check is only an OBD-2 check, not a sniff test, right?

Finally, there's a big difference between being prudent and being cheap. It doesn't matter if the Pilot will be given to you for free if you can't comfortably afford or want to pay for its increased running costs, outside of what it might cost to make it code-free. Fuel costs will be more every single time you fillup and wear items will all be more expensive, if due any time soon.


The Pilot is throwing a P0420 code which means one of its three cats is failing, it won't pass emissions as a result. No sniff test/treadmill test here, the code alone will fail the vehicle. Luckily it passed emissions not long ago so its good for another couple years.

The forum makes a lot of good points. I really think keeping the Sentra is a good idea. I may or may not buy the Pilot but I'm not getting rid of the Nissan.
 
Originally Posted by SrDriver
I don't buy from family, friends, or fellow church members no do business with any of them. A great way to loose a friend!

Yep, I have always found this is the best way to go.
 
Sounds the Pilot was burning oil due to the issues with Honda's VCM implentation on the 2007-2009 J35 V6s. TPMS and suspension work are BFDs, but I feel to fix the VSA code and the P0420, you need to work to root cause and resolve that. Some DTCs will set off the CEL and ABS/ESP(VSC/VDIM, VDC, VSA) light at the same time, electronic stability control and traction control needs to be able to close the throttle or pull/retard spark to limit engine power when it's activated.

Are you handy and have the budget to replace the cat as well as fix the issues that might have caused it in the first place?
 
Originally Posted by Triplicate


Tires are Michelin Defenders in very good condition with about 1 year on them, vehicle is well maintained and cared for, just 12 years old with 170k miles. Yes it's a Honda, but it's not like that mileage can be ignored.
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Not sure how a failed transmission at 155k and a failing cat converter at 170k constitutes a well cared for and maintained vehicle.
These things usually don't fail on well maintained vehicles this soon.
 
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I'd steer clear of buying and or selling vehicles within your family. I've done it in the past and it never seems to work out in the long run.
 
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Originally Posted by KrisZ


Not sure how a failed transmission at 155k and a failing cat converter at 170k constitutes a well cared for and maintained vehicle.
These things usually don't fail on well maintained vehicles this soon.


Honda's aren't known for bullet proof V6 transmissions in the slightest. It could certainly go out with good care at that mileage. I wouldn't worry about too much more on that rig other than gas mileage will be poor.

Originally Posted by Triplicate
The Sentra is very cramped with a rear facing child seat. More troubling, with the winter sun low in the sky, the sun can shine right in my son's eyes though the back windshield. Now I know why so many parents end up in SUVs. The long roof largely prevents this from happening.



Wow, you just made me realize another advantage of the wagon platform that even I hadn't thought of yet. Long Roofs forever!
 
My FIL dropped the Pilot off at a Honda specialist shop here in Maryland. If nthatch is right and everything is related to the VCM system gunking up the cat, I'll report back. Looks like there are a lot of aftermarket ways to bypass/deactivate VCM to prevent this sort of thing from happening.
 
I don't know that much about Pilots, but from what I understand 4WD models did not have VCM in this era. Is it a 4WD?

Also, the 2007 transmission should be the 4-shaft "Ridgeline" transmission that is pretty solid. Compare the 2005 Pilot transmission on carcomplaints.com (64 complaints) to the 2007 (1 complaint).
 
Originally Posted by KrisZ
Originally Posted by Triplicate


Tires are Michelin Defenders in very good condition with about 1 year on them, vehicle is well maintained and cared for, just 12 years old with 170k miles. Yes it's a Honda, but it's not like that mileage can be ignored.
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Not sure how a failed transmission at 155k and a failing cat converter at 170k constitutes a well cared for and maintained vehicle.
These things usually don't fail on well maintained vehicles this soon.

I don't disagree but on a recent thread I was told (repeatedly) that 150k was a good lifespan for a transmission.
 
I'd avoid the Pilot. A transmission replaced already at 170k sounds like either poor maintenance or engineering to me. My last two vehicles have been traded at 200k no transmission issues prior to that.

Also if that is a 3.5 V6 in the Pilot when was the last time the timing belt was replaced? That tends to be an expensive repair. Last one I remember doing the customer was billed right under $1000 and a Honda dealer quoted me $1500 for the job on an Odyssey van my wife was looking at.
 
Originally Posted by Triplicate
My FIL feels he'd be doing us a big favor by selling us his Pilot


I know some in-laws like that. Fortunately not mine.

Based on your comment, I have a feeling that if you did get this vehicle, you'll be hearing about how he 'gave' you the vehicle, and what a magnanimous gesture it was on his part. for the rest of his days.

So based on that especially, and the fact that it is higher miles, and stuff simply wears out and will be nickle-and-diming you, I'd pass.
 
I have a million miles on Honda cars in the past decades. A well maintained Pilot with a recently replaced transmission should last a long time. That should be a good car. If you can get it for $2000, its a no brainer deal. I personally would not want a 10-12 year old car as a daily driver, but if thats all the finances allow, then so be it.

Your Sentra is will maintained, I dont see the point in getting rid of it. Just get the Pilot as a second car.

If it needs a timing belt replacement, I would mention that to the father in law, the $1000 price that entails. And negotiate that he gets it done, or lowers the price on the car $1000 to make up for it. (Its a nice car but I cant afford an $1000 expense to get the timing belt done.)
 
Originally Posted by brages
I haven't found that used minivans are really all that cheap. I would put my bet on this Pilot to be more reliable than a $2500 minivan of any brand...

I've known people (fellow poor parents & grandparents of kids that mine went to school with) that picked up Caravans in the $1000 range that they drove for YEARS afterwards! There's just a lot on a Pilot to go wrong-and it sounds like it already is. The Honda of today is not the Honda of my young adulthood-there's a LOT to go wrong on those.
 
Originally Posted by bullwinkle
Originally Posted by brages
I haven't found that used minivans are really all that cheap. I would put my bet on this Pilot to be more reliable than a $2500 minivan of any brand...

I've known people (fellow poor parents & grandparents of kids that mine went to school with) that picked up Caravans in the $1000 range that they drove for YEARS afterwards! There's just a lot on a Pilot to go wrong-and it sounds like it already is. The Honda of today is not the Honda of my young adulthood-there's a LOT to go wrong on those.


Yeah, but mention an older chrysler and people will call you crazy for recommending it. And those 3.3 grand caravans are pretty tough. Never mind that there are plenty of elderly people that drive them and are in good shape. Nope, a used minivan must be a piece of junk that a bunch of kids and neglecting parent simply destroyed.

Mention a Honda, and it's a gem in the rough, worth spending all sorts of money on. It's actually well maintained with a failed tranny and cat converter. Cause you know, "it's a Honda!" 🤣
 
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Normally, at that price, it would make a good deal, especially since it fits a family better than a sedan. We sold both a civic and Audi when our first child arrived. The minivan arrived at that point and we still use it. Carries loads of hockey equipment and friends to tournaments, etc.
When it comes to this specific Pilot, I would pass.
 
In my area of Southern New Hampshire you can buy used sedans cheap. Because almost no one around here wants to drive them anymore. I estimate 70% drive an SUV, pickup, or some type of crossover. Recently the "LED upgrade" craze has taken off. So now its tall, and bright. Its becoming a challenge to drive home at night. In traffic its intimidating looking at gigantic new pickups like the Ford F150,250. The bumpers are way above a standard sedan's bumper now. So.. I do agree with your comments about the light and feeling small. If it were me I'd jump on the taller is safer bandwagon and buy the Pilot.
 
You guys have really 💩 roads down that way no Doubt about it. I can see the need for something Sport Ute like.. heck those roads down there remind me of Saranac Lake during a horror winter. Beer bumps everyplace. ( if you're under 50 you won't know what it means). Down there I'd go with a sport Ute having gone down that way to buy a couple of Camrays. Pretty wild even for us north country folks. Definitely truck country.
I got a buddy with a CRV , 2008, his wife's old commuter before she met him. He likes it, 2 young kids no big deal .... theirs always lived in the Rustbelt slop . I looked it over last year while we were doing a stabilizer arm ( cheap easy driveway fix). It wasn't bad at all under there. Rusty but not THATkind of rust. Those Honda's of that era don't have many serious issues overall ( not great auto trannies but leagues ahead of CVT) and run till the body falls apart as long as you keep them up. Cat dying, I wonder why that's in the down the road concerns? Seems a little preemptive.
Worried about smog in 3 years ? I wouldn't get too cranked. You need to get to know the right garage. You know the one. Works alone no secretary maybe one under the table helper, always busy with the neighborhood folks, old folks, no loaners, likes Cash. If I can beat the smog monster since 96 in Newyorkistan. You have no problems in NH. It's not really that hard unless there's some sort of catastrophe going on. Suck it up Cuomo .
The family thing well that all depends on the whole relationship ect🤷ðŸ¼â€â™‚ï¸ . Can you deal with something like an engine dying 3 weeks later without grabbing the shotgun? That's what you have to ask yourrself when dealing with relatives.........how hard you can grit your teeth snd just say 💩 happens and move on. I sure would get it gone over by a good mechanic before doing anything though. That's just good policy family or stranger
 
a quick look on CL for 2008 pilots in the Seattle area shows them asking $7500 for them. Hondas, even older ones hold value pretty well. one of the biggest issues was the trans and its seems to have been addressed.

i have 2 kids. when they young we had a mini van. i could not imagine putting 2 kids in a sentra if there are other options. the size and safety of a pilot is a plus.
 
Buy it?
The guy should give it to you and his daughter if only for the sake of his grandchild.
I've done this twice with our '12 Accord and our '09 Forester prior to that.
These were both then more valuable vehicles than this problematic Pilot with no CELs and well documented maintenance, done by me.
I figured I could better afford to give away six or seven grand than the young family could afford payments on a new ride.
 
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