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Too many variables for a blanket statement that was made. Some don't understand that they are easily sold on three referenced filters when the one that really matters is the one they're using.
Been over this many times. The ISO 4548-12 efficiency test standard (used all over the world in the filter industry) was invented around 25 years ago for a reason, to take out the variables in real world use. That's the only way to get an apples-to-apples comparison on filter efficiency - how else are you going to compare their performance. And controlled (as much as possible) filter efficiency vs engine wear studies done in the field have shown that there was less engine wear with the more efficient filters. Been many discussions with backup material on the subject matter. It's pretty simple logic that cleaner oil results in less wear. The use conditions of the engine certainly matter too, but if you keep the use conditions the same and only change the cleanness of the oil then you will see the correlation.

Referencing 3 different sized filters in the same filter line isn't really a "blanket statement" when talking in the context of ISO 4548-12 efficiency test results. The efficiency statement based on the 3 different sized filters is good enough for me - a lot better than most do who just use the largest filter size they make. Wish they all at least did the same by averaging 3 or more different sized filters.

After seeing some Spec Sheets from Purolator/M+H, I've realized they have all kinds of conflicting efficiency claims on the same exact filter models - even their efficiency claim on their huge 30001 model doesn't match the Spec Sheet - sloppy or who knows what's accurate from them. If you don't want to believe Fram's claims then I really don't care. If you really understood the ISO test procedure and how they define the overall efficiency, and what can effect oil filter efficiency, you'd know that testing 3 different sizes takes into account the variations in efficiency due to the media area size. Why else do you think they used the 3 different sized filters?

All this talk about efficiency doesn't mean much unless the filter you're using is efficient right?
I've never said that. I've explained many times in detail when higher efficiency matters and when it may not. Some people care about using a high efficiency filter regardless of the OCI, some don't care about efficiency at all. I really don't care, I just give the technical info about oil filtration and how many studies always conclude that better filtration gives cleaner oil and result in less wear. Nothing will change the physics of that relationship.

Only way to know that from Fram is to get lucky enough to be using one of the three referenced ISO tested filters.
"Lucky enough"?, lol ... not really, as already explained.

The statement was "You don't care about efficiency or wear" if not choosing a super efficiency Fram or? filter. If they can dramatize a statement like that so can I. If one is going to make a bold claim like that they ought to know what the efficiency is on that particular filter in topic thread.
He said "I guess you don’t care about wear protection or filtration efficiency lol." He didn't reference Fram, and his statement basically means any high efficient oil filter - which there are many besides some Fram models. You're the one that lock in on Fram when you see a statement like that - think about it. 😜

You believe their sales claim of only three referenced filters...and are perfectly content with that type of advertising...Great! Some of us know better. Whatever flips their lid 🙃
I do, for the reasons I've already stated which you can't seem to grasp, and I could really care less if you don't believe their 3 filter model claim statements and think you "need" a Spec Sheet for any filter you use. I remember when Ascent showed up to do ISO testing and the Fram haters thought they were going to catch Fram in an efficiency claim lie, but instead it tested even better than their claim ... sad time for the haters, lol. The whole Spec Sheet mantra is just a tool you use to try and discount efficiency claims. You've used other filter brands, but did you have a Spec Sheet for every one of those specific filters? Ans: No.
 
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Nice car! I've owned a '00 Firehawk since '99. Ordered it new from Jay Pontiac in Bedford, OH in early '99 and took delivery on 9/11/99.

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A guy I went to this show with had a '02 WS6.

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I've got 65K on mine, but you would never know.

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I have an '02 Trans Am WS6. It has a pretty healthy LS1, puting out about 450 RWHP. Redline is 7,100. What filter would you recommend on this engine? It currently has Ravenol 5W-30 in it with a K&N HP-1007 filter. Stick with the K&N? Is something like a Wix Endurance too restrictive? Would the Purolator Boss be a good compromise? Of the filters below, I have listed both the short and long versions. Ground clearance is a concern on this car. I do like that the Microgard has a bypass valve, should it ever need to flow more than what the media might allow. I'm just thinking "out loud" here. What are your thoughts?

K&N HP-1007
Fram FE9837 / FE10575
MicroGard Select MSL51522 / MSL51042
Carquest Premium Blue 85522 / 85042
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WoW! 😁 Sweet machine. Love the Pontiacs.
 
Nice car! I've owned a '00 Firehawk since '99. Ordered it new from Jay Pontiac in Bedford, OH in early '99 and took delivery on 9/11/99.

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BEAUTIFUL CAR!!! Yours is cleaner than mine underneath. It's covered in cob webs from setting in the garage under it's cover, lol.
 
The whole Spec Sheet mantra is just a tool you use to try and discount efficiency claims. You've used other filter brands, but did you have a Spec Sheet for every one of those specific filters? Ans: No.
I just give the technical info that ISO oil filtration testing data is the only real way to conclude efficiency & that is the only way to determine how clean the oil will be that results in less wear for your particular application. ISO testing is not just a tool it IS THE TOOL for oil filter testing data. Nothing will change those facts. ;)
 
I just give the technical info that ISO oil filtration testing data is the only real way to conclude efficiency & that is the only way to determine how clean the oil will be that results in less wear for your particular application. Nothing will change those facts. ;)
Sounds like you're parroting what I've basically said above, lol. I know you buy other filter brands besides Purolators, and you don't even have the 3 filter model based efficiency numbers for them. So this whole "Spec Sheet" mantra is just smoke to try and discount Fram's efficiency claims, but not with other brands. It's easy to see through it all. 😄
 
Sounds like you're parroting what I've basically said above, lol. I know you buy other filter brands besides Purolators, and you don't even have the 3 filter model based efficiency numbers for them. So this whole "Spec Sheet" mantra is just smoke to try and discount Fram's efficiency claims, but not with other brands. It's easy to see through it all.
It's not about what filters I use personally, It's about peoples bold claims not backed up w/data. I don't go round' sayin engine gonna wear if you gon use that purrrrolator 😂.

If you wanted to talk about what we personally use then we should also call out your use of PG filter...right? Surely you've gotten a good spec sheet on its efficiency claims w/all your years here about efficiency & all? Oh that's right you're perfectly happy with what they put on the website.
 
It's not about what filters I use personally, It's about peoples bold claims not backed up w/data. I don't go round' sayin engine gonna wear if you gon use that purrrrolator 😂.
Like I said above, he didn't reference Fram when he made that general comment about filter efficiency and engine wear, but you latched on to the Fram mantra like you usually do, and demand a Spec Sheet for every specific filter model ... yet you use filters with no Spec Sheet and some cryptic efficiency claim. 😄

If you wanted to talk about what we personally use then we should also call out your use of PG filter...right? Surely you've gotten a good spec sheet on its efficiency claims? Oh that's right you're perfectly happy with what they put on the box sales ad.
It's actually a MicroGard Select, and I'm OK with their single efficiency claim of 99% @ 25u.

You're not making sense ... have I ever said I need a Spec Sheet on every filter?... no I haven't. That's only your continued mantra, which you don't even follow. What's going on with that?
 
Like I said above, he didn't reference Fram when he made that general comment about filter efficiency and engine wear, but you latched on to the Fram mantra like you usually do, and demand a Spec Sheet for every specific filter model ... yet you use filters with no Spec Sheet and some cryptic efficiency claim. 😄


It's actually a MicroGard Select, and I'm OK with their single efficiency claim of 99% @ 25u.

You're not making sense ... have I ever said I need a Spec Sheet on every filter?... no I haven't. That's only your continued mantra, which you don't even follow. What's going on with that?
You preach efficiency to everyone here & put out bold statements about wear but yet you don't know the MicroGard Select's ISO tested efficiency you use? What's up w/that?
 
You preach efficiency to everyone here & put out bold statements about wear but yet you don't know the MicroGard Select's ISO tested efficiency you use? What's up w/that?
I already told you I'm OK with their claim of 99% @ 25u. I don't need no stinkin' Spec Sheets for each filter model. You did get that same comment earlier, right? You don't need a Spec Sheet for every filter either, so don't be so hypocritical about it. Don't seem to be following the discussion.
 
I already told you I'm OK with their claim of 99% @ 25u. I don't need no stinkin' Spec Sheets for each filter model. You did get that same comment earlier, right? You don't need a Spec Sheet for every filter either, so don't be so hypocritical about it. Don't seem to be following the discussion.
I'll stop when you stop preaching efficiency... ha!
Spec sheets are the answer to ISO testing data for its "Efficiency". That's the facts you may not like it but that is true regardless.
 
I'll stop when you stop preaching efficiency... ha!
I've been talking about filter efficiency and ISO testing for 7 years before you even joined here ... and will always talk about it. I'm sure you'll still be preaching you Spec Sheet nonsense every time Fram efficiency is mentioned, and not mention the "need" for a Spec Sheet with any other brand.

Spec sheets are the answer to ISO testing data for its "Efficiency". That's the facts you may not like it but that is true regardless.
You're vert hypocritical about the Spec Sheets because you use filters, and plan on buying filters, that have no Spec Sheets. 🧌
 
I've been talking about filter efficiency and ISO testing for 7 years before you even joined here ... and will always talk about it. I'm sure you'll still be preaching you Spec Sheet nonsense every time Fram efficiency is mentioned, and not mention the "need" for a Spec Sheet with any other brand.

You're vert hypocritical about the Spec Sheets because you use filters, and plan on buying filters, that have no Spec Sheets. 🧌
Yes, I've referenced the usefulness in determining efficiency when discussing other filters. Fram is not the only filter brand that is talked about although it is common to see that due to it being a popular filter. If I'm hypocritical so are you. :p
 
Yes, I've referenced the usefulness in determining efficiency when discussing other filters. Fram is not the only filter brand that is talked about although it is common to see that due to it being a popular filter. If I'm hypocritical so are you. :p
I'm hypocritical how? For providing technical information about efficiency and filters in general ... sure. 😂 You're hypocritical about the Spec Sheets. You better put off the plan to buy more PG made filters, because they have no Spec Sheets. ;)
 
I'm hypocritical how? For providing technical information ... sure. 😂 You're hypocritical about the Spec Sheets. You better put off the plan to buy more PG made filters, because they have no Spec Sheets.
You better put off buying that PG b/c you really don't know how efficient it is & it may cause extra wear. That's how.
 
You better put off buying that PG b/c you really don't know how efficient it is & it may cause extra wear. That's how.
Already told you my thoughts on that, more than a couple times ... I don't need a Spec Sheet for every model. How many times do I have to say that ... geeez. Yet you make the claim that you need a Spec Sheet for every filter, but then say you plan on buying PG filters that don't have a Spec Sheet (the hypocritical aspect). You better get that Pronto filter off ASAP, no Spec Sheet, lol.
 
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Already told you my thoughts on that, more than a couple times ... I don't need a Spec Sheet for every model. How many times do I have to say that ... geeez. Yet you make the claim that you need a Spec Sheet for every filter, but then say you plan on buying PG filters that don't have a Spec Sheet (the hypocritical aspect). You better get that Pronto filter off ASAP, no Spec Sheet, lol.
Pronto was on the Volvo when I bought it.
 
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