Brazil Plane Crash

[Brons2]

This happened to a city close to where i live.

They are talking a lot about icing and stall , i don't know a lot about aircrafts. But we will know this after they remove the bodies, there was 62 passengers, no one survived (obviously). They have recovered 30 bodies so far.

My wife was born and lived all her life in Sao Paulo until emigrating to the US, and she was in Sao Paulo on family business when this crash happened. She had flown several times between Rio and Sao Paulo the week of the crash, so as you can probably imagine, there was a moment of sheer panic when I heard there had been a crash in Brazil. When I saw it was an ATR though I knew she was safe as there are only 737 and A32x operating between CGH and SDU.

 

[Brons2]

Just checked, no high terrain between the two airports.

Lowest safe altitude was 6000

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Hmm. I am pretty familiar with the local geography around Sao Paulo, and that looks like a straight line. Just eyeballing that, the Mantiqueira Mountains don't seem to be super far off that line, and they go up to 9100 feet-ish. I wonder if @Astro14 has ever taken the 76 down to GRU/SBGR, he might be familiar.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mantiqueira_Mountains

 

[Astro14]

Hmm. I am pretty familiar with the local geography around Sao Paulo, and that looks like a straight line. Just eyeballing that, the Mantiqueira Mountains don't seem to be super far off that line, and they go up to 9100 feet-ish. I wonder if @Astro14 has ever taken the 76 down to GRU/SBGR, he might be familiar.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mantiqueira_Mountains

I am not familiar enough to comment on that. I would have to check the charts

 

[Just a civilian pilot]

Hmm. I am pretty familiar with the local geography around Sao Paulo, and that looks like a straight line. Just eyeballing that, the Mantiqueira Mountains don't seem to be super far off that line, and they go up to 9100 feet-ish. I wonder if @Astro14 has ever taken the 76 down to GRU/SBGR, he might be familiar.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mantiqueira_Mountains

Yes, that was a straight line.

I have never flown to SA.

ATC ( actually, pilots not declaring an emergency...ATC would have got them lower but the pilots NEVER mentioned severe ice to ATC ) not high terrain, is what kept them in the severe ice.

101% pilot error as harsh as that sounds.

 

[Just a civilian pilot]

Hmm. I am pretty familiar with the local geography around Sao Paulo, and that looks like a straight line. Just eyeballing that, the Mantiqueira Mountains don't seem to be super far off that line, and they go up to 9100 feet-ish. I wonder if @Astro14 has ever taken the 76 down to GRU/SBGR, he might be familiar.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mantiqueira_Mountains

I just double checked the terrain along that straight line and nothing is above 10,000 , even if not going direct.

Highest elevation is 9.180 feet.

For me , as a pilot, as long as the en route terrain is NOT above 10,000 en route, I am not concerned at all ( in case of loss of pressurization or engine failure....highest can maintain altitude single engine is about 17,000 ).

Approach and landing is different ( especially with no ATC radar for the approach ) if its a mountainous airport.

Pedra da Mina

2,798 m (9,180 ft)

22°25′S 44°51′W

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Highest point

No ATC radar for this airport.



Incident: Canada Rouge B763 near Huatulco on Jan 29th 2018, EGPWS terrain warning prevents CFIT​

By Simon Hradecky, created Wednesday, Feb 7th 2018 21:15Z, last updated Wednesday, Feb 7th 2018 21:38Z​ ​ An Air Canada Rouge Boeing 767-300, registration C-GHLU performing flight RV-1893 from Calgary,AB (Canada) to Huatulco (Mexico) with 250 passengers and 9 crew, was in level flight at 16,000 feet about 33nm north of Huatulco in non-radar environment, when air traffic control cleared the flight to descend to 6000 feet MSL at pilot's discretion. About 30nm north of the aerodrome the crew initiated the descent, about a minute later at 11,800 feet MSL the crew received an EGPWS "Caution Terrain" aural warning. The crew climbed the aircraft back to 13,500 feet MSL and continued to Huatulco before commencing the descent and landing safely. The Canadian TSB reported Mexico's DGAC rated the occurrence a serious incident and opened an investigation. According to approach plates for Huatulco the minimum safe altitude north of the aerodrome is 13,400 feet. Terrain is rising up to 3600 meters/11808 feet about 24nm north of the aerodrome.​

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[Brons2]

The rules for getting a tour of United training Center are somewhat complex.

You have to have a “sponsor“, someone who works there. You have to provide your drivers license, phone number, address, and email, and that sponsor has to obtain prior permission with all of your above information.

The family of every new hire pilot gets a tour, on “family day” when the new hires get their wings. United flies the families out to Denver, gratis, positive space, and provides a shuttle from the airport to the training center. The tour doesn’t include flying the Sim, but you get to see all of the evacuation training and aircraft mockups that the flight attendants use in addition to the flight training devices.

It’s the world’s largest airline training center, there’s a lot of space to wander around and see cool stuff. We have a Memorial Garden for the crews lost on 9-11. We even have a museum, with uniforms, and other artifacts, models and film footage dating back to 1928. It’s a great tour honestly.

If you want to fly the simulator, then your sponsor must be qualified to operate the simulator, which means they have to be either an instructor or evaluator. Further, Scheduling is not allowed to schedule a tour during normal business hours.

So, a lot of pieces have to line up for the simulator tour. You need to know in advance, you have to get permission, you have to have the right “sponsor“ and you have to have the simulator availability.

So you're saying there is a chance?

(just kidding)

 

[Astro14]

So you're saying there is a chance?

(just kidding)

Well - More of a chance than Jim Carrey had with her!