BMW 0W-12

for high oil consumtion use? as a band aid? i know here on bitog some dont support that band aid high mileage idea but there are more and more owners of old vehicles that found this way to reduce consumption on oil.well it works..
 
Greetings, wondering if there is any new information on this topic. Recently purchased a 26 X5 B58. Manual calls for LL 01 FE or LL 22 FE ++, with a referral to the underhood sticker which calls for 0w-12. I'm looking to drain the factory fill at 1000 miles (may do it sooner), but I'm uncomfortable with 0w-12, due to the viscosity, and the lack of choice in vendors. The BMW product doesn't list any ACEA ratings. Considering using 0w-30 from Motul or Castrol, as I've used their LL 17 FE + 0w-20 products in our 230i B48 and liked them both. Warranty is a consideration as well. Opinions? Thanks.
 
Rick G42 said:
Greetings, wondering if there is any new information on this topic. Recently purchased a 26 X5 B58. Manual calls for LL 01 FE or LL 22 FE ++, with a referral to the underhood sticker which calls for 0w-12. I'm looking to drain the factory fill at 1000 miles (may do it sooner), but I'm uncomfortable with 0w-12, due to the viscosity, and the lack of choice in vendors. The BMW product doesn't list any ACEA ratings. Considering using 0w-30 from Motul or Castrol, as I've used their LL 17 FE + 0w-20 products in our 230i B48 and liked them both. Warranty is a consideration as well. Opinions? Thanks.
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Why do you think warranty is a consideration?
 
Rick G42 said:
Greetings, wondering if there is any new information on this topic. Recently purchased a 26 X5 B58. Manual calls for LL 01 FE or LL 22 FE ++, with a referral to the underhood sticker which calls for 0w-12. I'm looking to drain the factory fill at 1000 miles (may do it sooner), but I'm uncomfortable with 0w-12, due to the viscosity, and the lack of choice in vendors. The BMW product doesn't list any ACEA ratings. Considering using 0w-30 from Motul or Castrol, as I've used their LL 17 FE + 0w-20 products in our 230i B48 and liked them both. Warranty is a consideration as well. Opinions? Thanks.
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The BMW branded oil carries a BMW part number, that would be all it needs.
 
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Rick G42 said:
Greetings, wondering if there is any new information on this topic. Recently purchased a 26 X5 B58. Manual calls for LL 01 FE or LL 22 FE ++, with a referral to the underhood sticker which calls for 0w-12. I'm looking to drain the factory fill at 1000 miles (may do it sooner), but I'm uncomfortable with 0w-12, due to the viscosity, and the lack of choice in vendors. The BMW product doesn't list any ACEA ratings. Considering using 0w-30 from Motul or Castrol, as I've used their LL 17 FE + 0w-20 products in our 230i B48 and liked them both. Warranty is a consideration as well. Opinions? Thanks.
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If I had a choice, unless you are starting at -30 or below I'd go with Mobil 1 ESP with BMW Longlife-04 approval. Available at Walmart for $28.
 
My wife's 2025 BMW 330I has the factory fill 0W12 in it and we are using the included BMW ultimate care and whatever the dealer uses is what it is. During the haggle process, I got the dealer to give us a liter, it's not in quarts, of the 0W12 BMW oil. I'm not uncomfortable with 0W12 but it's a dumb viscosity and lacks choice.
 
Rick G42 said:
Greetings, wondering if there is any new information on this topic. Recently purchased a 26 X5 B58. Manual calls for LL 01 FE or LL 22 FE ++, with a referral to the underhood sticker which calls for 0w-12. I'm looking to drain the factory fill at 1000 miles (may do it sooner), but I'm uncomfortable with 0w-12, due to the viscosity, and the lack of choice in vendors. The BMW product doesn't list any ACEA ratings. Considering using 0w-30 from Motul or Castrol, as I've used their LL 17 FE + 0w-20 products in our 230i B48 and liked them both. Warranty is a consideration as well. Opinions? Thanks.
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Use it under warranty. Motul has one through FCP.
 
Many thanks to everyone that responded. Looking to maintain the x5 in the best manner possible, while maintaining warranty coverage, so I wanted the latest info. Will decide what to do shortly as we only have about 50 miles on it now, but will be driving a few hundred in the next weeks. Thanks again to all.
 
kschachn said:
If I had a choice, unless you are starting at -30 or below I'd go with Mobil 1 ESP with BMW Longlife-04 approval. Available at Walmart for $28.
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Just for clarity for the OP, that is the Mobil 1 ESP 5w-30 that has the BMW LL-04 approval. The Mobil 1 ESP 0w-30 has no BMW approvals, though it is highly thought anyway.
 
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The Lube Guy said:
Tackling thinner and thinner motor oils seems to be the low-hanging fruit, in my opinion. I believe car manufacturers are reaching a point where they are doing this more to show they're actively addressing emissions and fuel economy rather than actually achieving significant improvements. The difference in net energy between two tanks of gasoline is greater than the fuel economy gains from switching from 5W-40 to 0W-16. However, the manufacturing cost increases exponentially because now you have to enhance precision, use more expensive materials, coatings, and so forth, to accommodate the thinner oil, which ultimately leads to a setback in long-term reliability.
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Not to go off topic. Cell phones are in the same spot, nothing new really, they’re thinking little things to try and get you to drop another 1200
 
Drained the factory fill 0w12 yesterday @ 545 miles and refilled with Motul Specific 0w-30 LL01FE. Taking a 1200 mile trip to KC MO next month and I wanted to get the new oil in and get some local driving on it before the trip. Seems to be a good fit, drove it around some afterwards as BMW pushed thru a software update as I was doing the oil change and you have to drive it to get the update to upload to the car. I'd swear it was quieter, purred like a kitten at idle. So far, so good.

As a related aside, we had a phone chat with the BMW rep the other day, and while we were kvetching about ASS, he questioned us at length about our dislike for the feature (I use the term feature loosely). Seems like they are interested in the consumer's perception of it. Did tell us how to defeat it, but you still have to do it at each start up. Oh well.
 
Rick G42 said:
As a related aside, we had a phone chat with the BMW rep the other day, and while we were kvetching about ASS, he questioned us at length about our dislike for the feature (I use the term feature loosely). Seems like they are interested in the consumer's perception of it. Did tell us how to defeat it, but you still have to do it at each start up. Oh well.
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You can code it to always be off with BimmerCode.
 
GPF on a daily driver shouldn't cause any problems if the proper low ash oils are used. We've been living with them (DPF) on Diesels even before the Add Blue systems caused people nightmares. How the manufacturer implements it is probably more important than the need for low ash oil as it is and will be available. BMW has been collecting the data in European use.
 
CleanSump said:
GPF on a daily driver shouldn't cause any problems if the proper low ash oils are used. We've been living with them (DPF) on Diesels even before the Add Blue systems caused people nightmares. How the manufacturer implements it is probably more important than the need for low ash oil as it is and will be available. BMW has been collecting the data in European use.
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Don't have that on our car, thought it wasnt US spec.
 
RFGuy_KCCO said:
You are correct. The US X5's do not have a GPF.

Again, you are correct. There is no way to permanently disable it on iDrive 8.5 cars.
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Re the ASS, I'm ok with being able to turn it off thru the iDrive screen. This wasnt pointed out to us upon delivery and the factory removed the button from the console by the shifter where it was located on other models, so I was always using sport mode as a workaround. This is a much better arrangement.

Thanks to all for the replies.
 
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