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Thats no surprise. Chrysler's products were marginally attractive before the bailout and now they are even more unattractive after crawling into bet with Fix It Again Tony. RIP Chrysler
 
Originally Posted By: Paul56
So which automotive company is in big trouble?

I hear the chorus saying.... TOYOTA

"The car company that is off to the worst start of 2010 isn't Toyota. It's Chrysler Group. "

http://money.cnn.com/2010/03/10/news/com...=yes&hpt=T1


Toyota is suffering from losing the repuation they have had for many years. Chrysler is suffering a similar but different problem- sales. Ever since Daimler took over and gutted Chrysler, they've been struggling. If fleet sales are what it takes to hold them over until they can get new, and better products in the pipeline, not to mention a better reputation, then that's what it takes. The new RAM is excellent, the upcoming redesigned Jeep Grand Cherokee looks excellent, most of their existing V6 engines will be replaced with the new Pentastar V6 which will have much more power and get much better fuel economy. I'm sure Chrysler will be glad to see the 2.7L, the two different 3.5Ls, the 3.3L, the 3.7L, the 3.8L, and the 4.0L all be replaced with the upcoming series which should help boost power numbers, and fuel economy numbers plenty.
I'm curious to see what we will be seeing from the fiat end of the deal. Certainly Fiat makes better 4 cylinder engines than chrysler does, so I wonder when the Avenger, caliber and those will get fiat drivetrains. Maybe fiat will finally be able to get a V8, or even better, a diesel, into the wrangler.
 
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I would like to buy some Toyota stock, but they just aren't doing that bad and it's not beaten down. They are a very diverse company (think Subaru, Asin..), and not totally dependent on North America either. Big trouble? They sit upon a pile of cash, but an even larger portfolio of sellable stock in smaller companies.

Chrysler may be, I haven't seen any product plans, who knows.
 
Chrysler's future seems to be resting on a small egg shaped car badged the Fiat 500 at the moment.

Do they sell enough RAMs to keep them floating... I doubt it.

Chrysler's future is heavily banked on products the consumers have yet to touch, feel and experience.

It will be a bust if those products don't deliver.

I'm sitting back watching the auto industry churn for the last few months speculating what the outcome will be.
 
Chrysler has had a reputation for below average reliabiltiy for many years and has been a failure waiting to happen. History has shown that. Toyota has had a good REPUTATION for building reliable cars. So as a corp. you can drop the quality reap [rape the consumer] profits selling on the reputation of the past. Works for Mercedes. As soon as the media coverage gets tired of the Toyota epidemic? Crisis? the consumer will quickly forget and return to Toyotas.
 
Originally Posted By: Steve S
Chrysler has had a reputation for below average reliabiltiy for many years and has been a failure waiting to happen. History has shown that. Toyots has had a good REPUTATION for building reliable cars. So as a corp you can drop the quality reap [rape the consumer] profits selling on the reputation of the past. Works for Mercedes.


chrysler was doing great, they were in the best position of the detroit 3 at the end of the 90s... Then mercedes came along and gutted them, neglected them, and then left them to rot.
 
Originally Posted By: rudolphna
Originally Posted By: Steve S
Chrysler has had a reputation for below average reliabiltiy for many years and has been a failure waiting to happen. History has shown that. Toyots has had a good REPUTATION for building reliable cars. So as a corp you can drop the quality reap [rape the consumer] profits selling on the reputation of the past. Works for Mercedes.


chrysler was doing great, they were in the best position of the detroit 3 at the end of the 90s... Then mercedes came along and gutted them, neglected them, and then left them to rot.


+1

Chryslers problems can be directly linked to the gutting that Daimler laid on them.
 
They failed in the late 70s early 80s only to be bailed out by the tax payers and the only reason they survived is by the government fleet purchases . Overall they make below average reliable products . I don't do brand loyality just numbers.
 
That statement completely ignores history. In the 90's they had some of the best selling cars on the road and a huge stockpile of cash. That cash is what Benz wanted to get their hands on and they did.

I'm far from Chrysler loyal, never owned one. But the fact of the matter is that they were a strong viable company when Daimler came onto the scene. Loans were long ago retired, why bring them up as if they had some bearing on the buy out?
 
Originally Posted By: Paul56
So which automotive company is in big trouble?

I hear the chorus saying.... TOYOTA

"The car company that is off to the worst start of 2010 isn't Toyota. It's Chrysler Group. "



As a long time Mopar guy.... I agree.
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They've got a few wonderful products (Challenger, the Ram trucks, and about 2-3 of the Jeep models) and a whole lot of dead weight, and worse there's NO sign of life to revamp the lineup yet. At least UAW motors (GM) did that much. More and more I think Ram and Jeep may survive as an appendage of Fiat, but Chrysler and Dodge may go the way of Oldsmobile and Plymouth.

But Toyota is seriously screwed too, just in a different way. They had the chance to the top of the market, and now they'll be lucky to stay ahead of Honda, let alone Ford and GM. They'll be fighting for 4th-5th in the world market in 2 years at this rate.
 
Originally Posted By: LS2JSTS
Originally Posted By: rudolphna

chrysler was doing great, they were in the best position of the detroit 3 at the end of the 90s... Then mercedes came along and gutted them, neglected them, and then left them to rot.


+1

Chryslers problems can be directly linked to the gutting that Daimler laid on them.


That's a given to anyone who's followed the saga. But its not the end of the story- Chrysler's been free of Daimler for a long time, but the wretched mismanagement by Cerberus, who obviously just wanted to "flip" the company for profit, sealed the deal.

Its a real shame- Chrysler was always the best of the American carmakers in most ways, just as AMC was in many ways better than Ford and GM and even Chrysler. Better engineering, better innovation- but all the problems that came with being small- cutting corners on production QA, far more subject to market volatility and recession, more subject to hostile takeover (Daimler).
 
Originally Posted By: rudolphna


Certainly Fiat makes better 4 cylinder engines than chrysler does, so I wonder when the Avenger, caliber and those will get fiat drivetrains.



I'm actually very happy with the 2.4 L World Engine that's in the Jeep Compass/Patriot and Caliber. I guess only time will tell but it's been completely trouble free for me.

As a whole, I do suspect Fiat will be converting all of the car lineups to their platforms. My biggest fear is that Fiat will relegate the old Chrysler into only making trucks, SUVs, and mini-vans, and when gas prices skyrocket again, they'll dump Chrysler who will have 0 chance with no native small cars.
 
Originally Posted By: kb01
Originally Posted By: rudolphna


Certainly Fiat makes better 4 cylinder engines than chrysler does, so I wonder when the Avenger, caliber and those will get fiat drivetrains.



I'm actually very happy with the 2.4 L World Engine that's in the Jeep Compass/Patriot and Caliber. I guess only time will tell but it's been completely trouble free for me.


I was going to make a similar comment, but figured I'd already said enough ;-) Fiat 4-bangers seem like a step backward even from the old (early 90s) Chrysler 2.0/2.4 series, let alone the current World Engine.
 
Originally Posted By: Drew2000
Fiat will be spinning off the Ram as a seperate truck division. Wonder what will support the car division since they don't have bread 'n butter cars ready to fight the Accord/Camry/Fusion/Malibu and the Corrolla/Civic/Focus/Fiesta and the money these types of car-sales generate?

http://www.trucktrend.com/features/news/2009/163_news091001_dodge_ram_as_standalone_brand/index.html


You never know. Maybe Chrysler/Fiat has something up their sleeve ready to at least be somewhat competetive in the midsize segment... Not likely though. *shrug*
 
It's ashame to see that the Germans did to Chrysler. They really had some excellent products in the late 80s-90s, and as soon as Lutz left and the Germans took over it was all down hill after.

I love what GM is putting out now, I am sure Lutz had a lot to do with it. I hope the momentum continues now that he has retired.
 
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