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China's overcapacity is good for consumers only if you disregard the impact to jobs.
No one seemed to care about that in the 80's, 90's or 2000's when Ford / GM sent all the Mexico and Canada, and went to lowest bidder on everything with NAACL and Ford-to-Furnish, not to mention all the machine tool going to Germany and other Euro countries.

And of course no one cared when textile, electronics, appliances all went away.

Those jobs were not important apparently.
 
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No one seemed to care about that in the 80's, 90's or 2000's when Ford / GM sent all the Mexico and Canada, and went to lowest bidder on everything with NAACL and Ford-to-Furnish, not to mention all the machine tool going to Germany and other Euro countries.
Many people did care...but no one was listening to them. The hollowing out of the American manufacturing sector is arguably the greatest economic failing of the country in the past 40 years. A.I. is about to surpass it.
 
No one seemed to care about that in the 80's, 90's or 2000's when Ford / GM sent all the Mexico and Canada, and went to lowest bidder on everything with NAACL and Ford-to-Furnish, not to mention all the machine tool going to Germany and other Euro countries.

And of course no one cared when textile, electronics, appliances all went away.

Those jobs were not important apparently.
Would rather see work within USMCA over China.
And prefer buying American brands.That 2021 Lexus in signature is my 1st departure in decades of car buying.
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No one seemed to care about that in the 80's, 90's or 2000's when Ford / GM sent all the Mexico and Canada, and went to lowest bidder on everything with NAACL and Ford-to-Furnish, not to mention all the machine tool going to Germany and other Euro countries.

And of course no one cared when textile, electronics, appliances all went away.

Those jobs were not important apparently.
Not to the CEOs and Managers with great fat salaries and their giant retirement packages who are never affected by those decisions.
When their actions kill entire towns it is never any skin off them....
 
He's right to some extent. There's obviously more volume, but less margin, as the lower end of the market. But I think GM got it right by using Ultium to scale and increase component use across platforms. Toyota also got it right by providing hybrid options across the entire lineup before offering full EVs.

Ford has done a good job on the product introduction side (Powerboost, Maverick, Bronco, Mach E, Lightning) but quality and electrification have been poorly executed because the products were not profitable. China's overcapacity is good for consumers only if you disregard the impact to jobs.
Agree there has to be sufficient demand to attain profitability. Tesla started with expensive cars to learn EVs and cars in general.

GM, Toyota, Ford, etc have lost billions on their EV business. And they are hardly startups.
 
No one seemed to care about that in the 80's, 90's or 2000's when Ford / GM sent all the Mexico and Canada, and went to lowest bidder on everything with NAACL and Ford-to-Furnish, not to mention all the machine tool going to Germany and other Euro countries.

And of course no one cared when textile, electronics, appliances all went away.

Those jobs were not important apparently.
Capitalism. Progress. Does it matter to me if my job goes accross the country, across an ocean or to a computer? It's still gone.
Winners and losers. Of course there is much more to it than that, but winners and losers plays a big part.

It's funny... Statstical Business Analytics Application Development was very good to me, but also killed a ton of jobs, primarily Accounting and then Finance. Forecasting a relevant range with a Linear Regression curve proves to be pretty darn telling... With today's AI code generaters, my job is likely doomed. AI will be the biggest game changer...

Business has always been brutal. There is no fair.
 
Capitalism. Progress. Does it matter to me if my job goes accross the country, across an ocean or to a computer? It's still gone.
Winners and losers. Of course there is much more to it than that, but winners and losers plays a big part.

It's funny... Statstical Business Analytics Application Development was very good to me, but also killed a ton of jobs, primarily Accounting and then Finance. Forecasting a relevant range with a Linear Regression curve proves to be pretty darn telling... With today's AI code generaters, my job is likely doomed. AI will be the biggest game changer...

Business has always been brutal. There is no fair.
I agree that if your job goes it does not matter where it goes, however I wouldn't call a system that encourages CEO's to send production to a communist country, that uses in some cases slave labor and requires you to turn over your IP, and that doesn't have to pay social security or medicare or follow any environmental rules, capitalism. Its called mercantilism.

And no I am not talking about "fair". I am talking about working off the same legal / rules system.

Hence I no longer care. Bring on the cheap Chinese EV's. What's good for the Goose.
 
I agree that if your job goes it does not matter where it goes, however I wouldn't call a system that encourages CEO's to send production to a communist country, that uses in some cases slave labor and requires you to turn over your IP, and that doesn't have to pay social security or medicare or follow any environmental rules, capitalism. Its called mercantilism.

And no I am not talking about "fair". I am talking about working off the same legal / rules system.

Hence I no longer care. Bring on the cheap Chinese EV's. What's good for the Goose.
Business is brutal. Rules? The only rule is money.

My own work has resulted in lotsa people losing their jobs. Efficiency has a cost and it isn't always pretty.
You grow or you go.
 
Business is brutal. Rules? The only rule is money.

My own work has resulted in lotsa people losing their jobs. Efficiency has a cost and it isn't always pretty.
You grow or you go.
I live in that world too. I have automated likely thousands of people out of factory jobs.

But calling sending work to China capitalism is incorrect. Its Mercantilism.
 
I live in that world too. I have automated likely thousands of people out of factory jobs.

But calling sending work to China capitalism is incorrect. Its Mercantilism.
It's not about you and me; rather it is about business and economics.

I am not sure I would call sending jobs to China, or anywhere, Mercantilism. Mercantilism holds that a nation's wealth and power are best built by accumulating gold and silver, achieving a positive trade balance (exporting more than importing), and exercising heavy government intervention.

Don't get me wrong; while change benefits some, oftentimes others suffer.
 
Auto Forecast Solutions reports the Ford Escape is coming back in 2029 as an EV on this new UEV platform. Built in Louisville.


2029? This sort of begs the question why they didn't keep the Escape a couple more years. It sold 40K+ in Q1 2025. They thought they would hold over with the Bronco Sport, but that starts at $32K, whereas the competition starts in the Mid 20s.

Ford stuff....I can't see how much longer Farley can keep his job. Maybe the Ford Energy deal will work with the multi-billion dollar deal they made.
 
2029? This sort of begs the question why they didn't keep the Escape a couple more years. It sold 40K+ in Q1 2025. They thought they would hold over with the Bronco Sport, but that starts at $32K, whereas the competition starts in the Mid 20s.

Ford stuff....I can't see how much longer Farley can keep his job. Maybe the Ford Energy deal will work with the multi-billion dollar deal they made.
Jim Farley has always stuck me as a phony. Probably still getting paid by Toyota
 
Good. How does it get to my car?
Yeah, many don’t know H2 is used by commercial operations. Not necessarily cars.

We still don’t know the future of transportation.
For now gasoline will rule, you and I most likely won’t be alive to know the end of this debate 😕
Internal combustion engines can also be fueled with h2

For the fuel cell area some examples are forklifts in Amazon and Walmart warehouses, some other product handing machines and maybe some trucking.

https://www.topspeed.com/companies-invested-in-hydrogen-combustion-engines/

Boutique products that h2 producers supply to
https://wha-international.com/hydrogen-in-industry/

“The two of the largest uses of hydrogen worldwide are ammonia production (55%), and petroleum refinement (25%”
 
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