Big Ford EV Announcement Coming Aug 11th

[ProbeGT]

Remedy is known. Water seal failure.

That doesn't change the fact the countless motors failed. Sometimes over and over again in the same car. How's that for Tesla owner experience? A hassle even under warranty with the long wait for repair. Let alone after warranty. It took until 2023 for Tesla to finally properly redesign the LDU.

You believe what BYD says? They don't have a track record to back up their claim, other than BYD busses catching fire.

I'm quoting xAI. Last I checked, xAI and Tesla share the same CEO. If it wasn't true, I'm sure he would've fine-tuned the model to answer differently.
It's not like YT isn't full of videos of Tesla battery fires as well. BYD cars are being sold all around the world. If anything, BYD battery technology is safer than Tesla's.

"While both BYD and Tesla EV batteries can experience fires, BYD's Blade battery, a lithium iron phosphate (LFP) battery, is generally considered safer than Tesla's NMC (Nickel Manganese Cobalt) batteries due to its inherent stability and resistance to thermal runaway."

 

[Trav]

Tesla is using BYD batteries in some models so there's that.

 

[demarpaint]

Tesla is using BYD batteries in some models so there's that.

Sometimes if you can't beat em' you join them.

 

[JeffKeryk]

Completely off the mark there. As per Grok (xAI): EV Battery Degradation Rates:

• Tesla: 1–2% annual capacity loss (NMC), ~80–90% retention after 200,000 miles. Heat generation and fast charging accelerate fade.
• BYD: <1% annual loss (LFP), ~95–98% retention after 600,000–800,000 miles. Better thermal management and stable chemistry reduce degradation.

Question for you: How many BYD batteries, or any car batteries, have 600,000 or more miles?
I find that fascinating!

 

[jghall00]

Not true, especially the 7% annual gain in range. Simple math says that a 7% range improvement over 12 years yields a multiplier of 2.25 (=1.07^12). Let's compare that with the real world. In 2013, the longest range Tesla Model S (P85) had an EPA range of 265 miles. By your claim, a 2024 Tesla Model S (longest range model) should have an EPA range of 596 (=265x2.25) miles!

The acutal EPA range of a 2024 Tesla Model S LR100 is only 402 miles. In addition, a large portion of the increased range can be attributed to advances unrelated to batteries, such as drivetrain efficiency, aerodynamics, etc. So the improvement in range is much smaller than you claim, roughly 3.5% annually, and only part of that can be attributed to battery tech improvements.

Not affordable. The BYD Dolphin costs USD 13,700 in China. That's affordable. In Australia, it costs the equivalent of USD 19,800 after all taxes and fees.

Apologies, very bad math on my part. I just took the range increase and divided by the number of years. I didn't account for any compounding. 402 - 265 = 137. 137 / 12 = ~10%. I don't recall how I came up with the lower percentage, as it was several years ago. But clearly your number is closer to correct. I did the real math including compounding and came up with 4.2% assuming 10 years, as I did the original estimate several years ago. This is just range, not accounting for vehicle cost or battery size. The Model S pricing has stayed relatively flat while range has increase substantially. So really bad math and poor comparison all around.

Regarding affordability, that Dolphin doesn't account for per capita income or consumer purchasing power, which is far lower in China. It also doesn't account for the capability or size of the vehicle. The long range Model 3 is rating at 629 km (390 miles) in Australia and 363 miles in the U.S. So assuming for sake of argument that WLTP conversion translates to a Dolphin, it would be rated at ~316 miles in the U.S. The cheapest Equinox is rated at 319. so there's definitely some parity as far as range. But the Dolphin is also a much smaller vehicle.

A better comparison would remove other vehicle characteristics from the comparison. Here's a battery price chart.

 

[Rmay635703]

Tesla is using BYD batteries in some models so there's that.

Under pain of death with an embedded employee you can get good parts that meet spec, but for everyone else it doesn’t happen

 

[Rmay635703]

Question for you: How many BYD batteries, or any car batteries, have 600,000 or more miles?
I find that fascinating!

There is a famous 2012 volt that went 438,000 miles then had statir issues and got sold to a French Canadian dealer as a courtesy car, I believe it had over 500,000 miles on its battery during the last update

 

[SwampSurvivor]

I am not smart enough to know what the future holds but if I were a Ford shareholder I would be concerned that they are sticking with EVs when much of the business case (ie the support in the form of the IRA and various tax credits) has been removed. I would think hybrids are a safer bet but at the same time I understand that it may be a hard segment to crack given Toyota’s domination of it and the low cost EV may be a big hit in foreign markets.

Again time will tell. Would be nice if the politicians could figure out a way to compromise a bit so business does not have the rug pulled out from under it every four years.

I think the rug has been pulled for the final time. There's no indication that we'll be allowed to change directions on that front going forwards. We were promised to never have to worry about that again.

Consumer sentiment, however, seems to favor EVs.

We were considering one but with all the uncertainty going on, my old fleet of junkers is cheaper to keep going than dropping cash on something new.