This is Ford's competition vs China. I wish them well.
Big Ford EV Announcement Coming Aug 11th
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Unfortunately, I'm not sure anyone knows with all the tariff uncertainty.
SammyChevelleTypeS3
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I wish Ford well too. Especially the workers. I pray I am wrong about this..... I see Ford looking to get their government bail out money similar to what GM had to do within the next 3 years. Again, I hope I am wrong.
I was pretty close. The “game changer” is a $30k chick-up truck with a 100-200 mile range. Oooooooooh! Martha, grab your change purse!
Sounds like the GM Saturn announcement of 1985.
Ain't gonna learn how to do it if one is forbidden to try.
I ordered the $39,900 Cybertruck. When my number came up, the price was $70k. Instant cancel.
If and when this "2027" Ford EV comes out, it will be around $50K. Ford will still manage to lose money on every unit sold and it will go the way of the Edsel. That's assuming the car will launch at all. The coming 2026 EV market crash will be brutal in the U.S.
Musk doesn't think this makes any sense. In his mind, everyone who wants a smaller Tesla will buy the Robotaxi. Model 2 may just be fiction.Tesla is going to be releasing a more affordable EV option.
The pace of actual battery tech improvements has slowed to a crawl. Solid-state promises have all fizzled out. I hope some leap in battery tech happens but I'm not holding my breath. It's like nuclear fusion. We've been told for 50 years that it's just around the corner.
The only truly affordable EVs are and will be made in China. I don't know if the cars are any good but it doesn't matter. We will never see them here in the U.S. unless they start assembly here but then they will no longer be affordable. At some point, the EU will join the US in completely blocking China from the EU auto market in its last desperate attempt to protect the last remaining EU automakers. The rest of the world has a non-zero chance to have access to truly affordable EVs.
Model 3 is pretty small inside.
You just are not seeing what improvements are being made. Bought my first Tesla 12 years ago. Been laughing at the self-proclaimed experts who have been expecting range to double every 18 months. Tesla is concentrating on reliability, life, and materials. Range/capacity is secondary. No one builds a better motor or battery than Tesla.
Oh. Fires are acceptable. High wear rates on the battery is acceptable. Maybe that is OK by you but not me.
SammyChevelleTypeS3
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The Edsel is the very first thing I thought of when I heard Ford was going to make an announcement. I did not even know what it was going to be about. I was just thinking that way based on their failures since about 2010 to live up to their very own slogan. "Quality is Job One." The catchy slogan they actually abandoned. I loved every Ford product I owned. Thing is I have not owned one since about 2009. I am going by what everyone I know who has been buying them since have been saying.
Again. For the sake of the hard working Ford employees, I hope we are dead wrong. Hard to think so based on how "great"
the USA Big Three Automakers have been doing for way too many years now.
SammyChevelleTypeS3
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You must mean a chick-up truck folks use these days to haul air?I was pretty close. The “game changer” is a $30k chick-up truck with a 100-200 mile range. Oooooooooh! Martha, grab your change purse!
SammyChevelleTypeS3
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A very eye opening article about FoMoCo in general. About advertising , quality and manufacturing....
https://starkmanapproved.com/ford-motor-company-quality-is-job-1-lhol/
https://starkmanapproved.com/ford-motor-company-quality-is-job-1-lhol/
True, but not comparable to shutting down operational generating capacity, like coal. That is the comparison that was made. We still don't have any functioning fusion generation after decades of attempts. It took over a decade for frackers to learn how to do it profitably. Europe didn't have that much time, so it chose imports instead. Same as us with rare earths. That's how free trade works...someone else can do it cheaper, so you can focus your efforts elsewhere and the exchange becomes mutually beneficial But that someone else needs to be a friend. Unfortunately, the U.S. doesn't have those anymore.
Modern code requires fireboard between those 2 places.
Not true. Battery advances have always been incremental. I ran the numbers several years ago and saw something like average of 7% improvement in range on average, per year, just based on what Tesla was offering. Here is a chart showing the price decline. Batteries are rapidly nearing parity with ICE for many applications. For many people, driving an EV is already cheaper than ICE, depending on utility rates mileage, etc.
For example, many tradesmen can benefit from using a Lightning over an ICE F150 because they tow within a narrow geographic region, so the limited range while towing isn't an issue, but the fuel savings are substantial. The Silverado EV can approach 200 miles of range while towing, which is near parity with ICE and actually beats many ICE vehicles that are not equipped with larger tanks. No, it can't refuel as quickly. But it offers substantial fuel savings if used as a daily driver and charged at home.
There are several technologies entering production, including Lithium-Sulfur and Sodium Ion, that may help bridge that final gap in the next few years. And yes I know, batteries advances get trumped all the time because I've been reading about them for years wondering...when?. But witness what is happening in the market right now with these two chemistries. Real money is being spent—not just in the lab—to scale up production. As production scales over the next few years, costs will continue their steep decline.
GM is already selling a $35,000 Equinox EV, and Ford plans production of another EV in that price range. GM also plans to bring the Bolt back, and it will be priced below the Equinox. The average new vehicle price is just under $50,000. Arguably, affordable EVs are already here.
SammyChevelleTypeS3
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There are so many people that over look one very important thing about the EVs. Cost is not the only reason the masses are not stampeding to buy EVs. There are millions of people across the globe for whom the EV is simply not practical. Not practical for a host of reasons. Again. I am not anti EV technology.
This is easy GND was a throw away talking point, the side that didn’t like it did 99% of the talking about it, while also making profitable investments from said weak piecework legal framework. The guys against GND made the most $$$ from it. Many of those against it also helped write sections of it that went into law.
Understanding the theatrical nature should tell you all you need to know about the piecework and misnamed GND that was mostly a generic business handout that was written by, invested into and supported by the then opposition group as an insourcing measure. Oddly effective one at that considering that some benefits including job creation and insourcing did occur.
If you write a series of pieces of legislation call it bipartisan then complain about your own legislation you wrote, that you are making money from, well you can guess how much faith you should place in the opposition commentary.
Actions speak louder than words.
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